[s0cks]

Well the first 4mths of 2008 have definitely gone the peakists way. I wonder if this whole thread would have been different had it been started now?

Personally I want peak oil to happen. Peak oil has opened my eyes to a LOT of other issues. Not just resource depletion, but political issues, environmental issues, health, consumerism, etc... And in almost all cases, the way we are heading is not good. I'm not going to go into a massive post, but when you consider, topsoil, fresh water, global warming, depression/suicide rate, cancer rate, food crisis, etc... its all pretty bleak stuff, and perhaps it would be better to rethink and start fresh.

Had you asked me this a few months, or even a year after my discovery of "finite oil", hehe, then I would have outright said no, but it has led me to find other knowledge.

This doesn't mean, however, I can advance or delay peak oil. I can't will it on, or stop it from happening. So, if they found 5 new SA's next week, then I would be disappointed, but I wouldn't deny that it would offset peak for quite some time.

I think, Oil-Finder, that you will find it hard to disuade peakists just by giving them "estimated" reserve numbers, "possible" flow rates, and "projected" production figures. The talk of building 35,000 wells for example is certaintly technically possible, but in the realms of normality its a mammoth and unlikely task. I think we just prefer to believe in what we can see. Until a field actually produces x amount its all just guesswork, and certaintly recently, its seems that things are getting worse than previously "guessed" (not just with oil).

[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('s0cks', 'I') think, Oil-Finder, that you will find it hard to disuade peakists just by giving them "estimated" reserve numbers, "possible" flow rates, and "projected" production figures . . .

[hironegro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'W')ell, all that talk was kinda off-topic anyway. The real question was what people wanted to happen, regardless of more technical issues.

The results of this poll have swung toward the 'no' side of late. For a while it was mildly in favor of the 'yes' side.

[sittinguy]

Yes, I want it to happen.
So this rat race will end and some of us can get back to what is real in life. And this corrupt government can be cleaned OUT

So all the people that live above their means and are in debt to their asses will have to pay the piper.

So all the rich jerks that think their money will save them will SOL.

So all the preps I made don't go to waste.

I'm looking forward to riding my bike to the super market and the hardware store.

I want to see some riots,,, yeah RIOTS, crackheads gettin beat down.

Everyone will be packin heat, yeah HEAT, crackheads gettin beat down

Mostly I,m sick of waiting, I don't want to be to old when all this really gets going, but I want my kids to be a little older, so 5 more years of the sham of a life we live would be good.

[SOS]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('s0cks', '
')Personally I want peak oil to happen. Peak oil has opened my eyes to a LOT of other issues. Not just resource depletion, but political issues, environmental issues, health, consumerism, etc... And in almost all cases, the way we are heading is not good. I'm not going to go into a massive post, but when you consider, topsoil, fresh water, global warming, depression/suicide rate, cancer rate, food crisis, etc... its all pretty bleak stuff, and perhaps it would be better to rethink and start fresh.

Had you asked me this a few months, or even a year after my discovery of "finite oil", hehe, then I would have outright said no, but it has led me to find other knowledge.

[ugh]

Bring it on.

No junkie ever got better with another "fix"

[patience]

An old fellow was in my shop the other day, and talk turned to high prices and hard times. He said we haven't seen hard times yet. He's 91, and lived through the 1930's depression. His comment was that people will do ANYTHING if they are hurting bad enough.

I'm convinced that those who want to see society go down the way we are headed, probably haven't seen such things before. I agree that how we have been living and abusing our welcome on the planet is wrong. I don't want that to continue. Nor do I welcome what I believe is in store for us. It's not going to be about riding your bike to the store and feeling smug. It's going to be about finding a store that is still open, that has something you need, being able to pay for it, and surviving the trip home, if you have a home.

I voted no, I don't want peak oil to happen, because as it is, we are headed directly to the Middle Ages.

[shootst81]

i don't want it to happen, but if it does it does.

Besides our ancestor's got along just fine with horse and buggy+steam engine train..we will adjust

horse and buggy could be temporary, till science catchs up

[skyemoor]

It's not a matter of wanting it to occur, because it will. What I do want to occur is awareness and action within the populace to mitigate by shifting consumption patterns through changes in land use management, transportation choices, food choices, etc.

[dbruning]

I'd be voting against it as well.

I feel we cannot continue as we have, and that a huge correction in lifestyle is coming. But to actively cheer for the death and hunger and suffering that is coming? I'll pass thanks.

[joeltrout]

Part of me wants it to occur to prove everybody wrong that mocks peakoil. Then part of me does not want it to occur because I like the life I live and all the perks that we have now.

joeltrout

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shootst81', 'i') don't want it to happen, but if it does it does.

Besides our ancestor's got along just fine with horse and buggy+steam engine train..we will adjust

horse and buggy could be temporary, till science catchs up

[usncom]

Have any of you truly considered the ramifications of a society reverting back to the horse and buggy on our freedoms? Civil rights for minorities and women were largely made possible by and during the indusrial age.

Societal collapse from peak oil might do away with a lot of modern day conveniences but it WILL NOT change the human heart. We will go on wanting material things. We will continue to exploit others to get those material things.

The exploitation in the industrial age was somewhat mutually beneficial. The exploitation after industrial collapse will be a return to some archaic fuedal system or worse a return to barbaric forms of slavery.

No I don't want this to occour. HELL no.

[Ludi]

Usncom, I'm sure you're aware that slavery is already widespread in the world. Are you saying you expect it to be widespread and accepted in the (present day ) First World?

What about yourself and the people you know makes you think you and they will find slavery acceptable?

I'm just curious about your views.

[usncom]

I am talking primarily of the first world since it is the first world that is so heavily dependent on oil and it is the first world that has made the most strident and revolutionary gains towards securing and protecting fundamental civil rights.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat about yourself and the people you know makes you think you and they will find slavery acceptable?

[Ludi]

Recall those societies used slave labor because they were used to using it. After Emancipation, there was no longer a "need" for slavery. Yet agriculture in the South continued, without slaves.

Slaves were owned by the very wealthy, and used to maintain the very wealthy in the style to which they were accustomed. Slaves were not used by the average farmer, even in the South.

[Ludi]

Just to add, though I do not see slavery as an economic necessity, neither do I expect post-peak-oil to be easy. The world needn't be "harsh, repressive, and Darwinian." It's more likely to be so the more people see such a future as acceptable and inevitable.


Just sayin'. But I'm well-known here as a hopelessly naive dreamer and optimist.

[usncom]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ecall those societies used slave labor because they were used to using it.

[s0cks]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('usncom', 'S')ocietal collapse from peak oil might do away with a lot of modern day conveniences but it WILL NOT change the human heart. We will go on wanting material things. We will continue to exploit others to get those material things.

[usncom]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('s0cks', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('usncom', 'S')ocietal collapse from peak oil might do away with a lot of modern day conveniences but it WILL NOT change the human heart. We will go on wanting material things. We will continue to exploit others to get those material things.