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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 06 May 2008, 18:32:01

Heck no, not sure how I seemed offended! :)

I was just asking about your own plans and actions, is all.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby charliebrownout » Tue 06 May 2008, 18:34:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')'m flabbergasted that at $120 a barrell, we're still asking the question, "Has peak arrived".


Who asked that? Not me.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby charliebrownout » Tue 06 May 2008, 18:41:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')eck no, not sure how I seemed offended! :)

I was just asking about your own plans and actions, is all.


You didn't :lol: I was just saying that so everyone knows I'm on the right page.

I think, too, the situation of BOTH would explain some of the confusion on the part of otherwise bright people.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 06 May 2008, 18:43:51

I think we can pretty much guarantee selfish powerful people won't make it any easier on the little guy. I'm as much worried (or more) about what selfish - or even well-meaning - PTB might do to "make things better." 8O
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 06 May 2008, 18:47:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')I'm as much worried (or more) about what selfish - or even well-meaning - PTB might do to "make things better." 8O


What they definitely won't do is work the demand side of the equation other than making useless statements like "we have to get off of oil".
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:28:48

I see it differently. Peak Oil is A problem, not THE problem

THE problem is Over Population.

The reason we are not dealing with it is that we are genetically programed to promote our genes and our population.

It is against our nature. We can no more control our population than breath water.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Pops » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:33:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') was just asking about your own plans and actions, is all.

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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:40:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')THE problem is Over Population.


THE problem which will be solved by collapse and die-off.


http://anthropik.com/2005/10/thesis-12- ... ways-grow/
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:45:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')THE problem is Over Population.


THE problem which will be solved by collapse and die-off.


http://anthropik.com/2005/10/thesis-12- ... ways-grow/


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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby americandream » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:48:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')THE problem is Over Population.


THE problem which will be solved by collapse and die-off.


http://anthropik.com/2005/10/thesis-12- ... ways-grow/


Yes


We in the west have scoffed the planet's resources and you yak on about the population numbers of those who haven't even lined up at the trough of "development" when the games all but over. What are you, stupid?
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 06 May 2008, 19:57:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hat are you, stupid?



Totally. :)


The US is the most overpopulated nation on earth.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 06 May 2008, 20:09:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hat are you, stupid?



Totally. :)


The US is the most overpopulated nation on earth.


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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby MD » Tue 06 May 2008, 20:56:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') think we can pretty much guarantee selfish powerful people won't make it any easier on the little guy. I'm as much worried (or more) about what selfish - or even well-meaning - PTB might do to "make things better." 8O


That's right.

Don't forget all the well-meaning people that will rationalize staying within such a power structure in order to stay alive.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 07 May 2008, 00:03:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') think we can pretty much guarantee selfish powerful people won't make it any easier on the little guy. I'm as much worried (or more) about what selfish - or even well-meaning - PTB might do to "make things better." 8O


That's right.

Don't forget all the well-meaning people that will rationalize staying within such a power structure in order to stay alive.


Well, what is the point of being a PTB if not to assure your gene line? Isn't that the ultimate perk?

And if they are not selfish what will they do? Try to keep more people alive? That is a double edged sword: they may make a muck of it and kill people off unintentionally OR they may keep people alive, who will only create more people which makes the situation worse.

So I'm not to much on either feeling guilty or blaming. The things that are happening are generally beyond or intentional control. I am lucky to be born when and where I am and for that I am very, very, very grateful.

This all gets too much doom for me. I get to figure it this way. I have the right/obligation to take care of me and mine. To do that I need a stable community so I am willing to work on that. If I can create some island of stability then I have done a good thing, at least locally if not globally.

I'm not nearly as successful at this as I would like to be for various reasons.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 07 May 2008, 02:49:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')THE problem which will be solved by collapse and die-off.


That's an uncharacteristically pessimistic thought from you, Ludi.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 07 May 2008, 02:51:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')We in the west have scoffed the planet's resources and you yak on about the population numbers of those who haven't even lined up at the trough of "development" when the games all but over. What are you, stupid?


Sorry. The invisible hand doesn't really care whether the 3rd world gets a chance to buy cars and big screen TVs before die-off kicks in.
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Re: Peak Oil: Psychological? Political? Physical?

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 07 May 2008, 15:53:26

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That's an uncharacteristically pessimistic thought from you, Ludi.[/quote]

Not really. :) I'm basing it on what I see of current events. Yes, people's behavior may change dramatically tomorrow, but it is unlikely.
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