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Re: Anybody See Warren Buffet on CNBC?

Unread postby joeltrout » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 13:21:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('centralstump', 'H')is increase in Insurance holdings is the one that doesn't gel. Someone will have to explain that one to me

That is interesting because he also said "the party is over for the insurance industry".
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Re: Anybody See Warren Buffet on CNBC?

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 13:52:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('centralstump', 'H')is increase in Insurance holdings is the one that doesn't gel. Someone will have to explain that one to me.
That is interesting because he also said "the party is over for the insurance industry"

IMO it is a combination move, on the one hand a lot of people need insurance, on the other hand many of the losses which were racked up by Katrina and other mega natural disasters are covered by the Feds and in the long run help the insurence companies because they got the premiums and didn't have a full payout.
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Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby big_rc » Mon 05 May 2008, 15:22:30

Maybe somebody might get their head out of their posterior if Buffett actually talks about this at the annual shareholders meeting. I don't count on it though....

Buffett and Munger hold court

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')uffett and Munger also commented on the topic of peak oil. This is the argument over whether the world is soon going to reach a peak in oil production before production flattens and eventually falls. They both seemed to agree that we were indeed close approaching a time of peak oil production, though Munger was the more vocal of the two. He noted that all energy resources on the globe--oil, natural gas, coal, uranium--are finite resources and will eventually run out. Therefore, the sun and the wind are essentially the only truly renewable alternative energy resources, and they will eventually have to be tapped in a large way.

Putting Munger on the spot concerning peak oil, Buffett asked him to give an "over/under" on what he thought oil production would be in 25 years. In typical Munger fashion, he gave a terse response that perfectly explained his opinion: "down."

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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 05 May 2008, 15:30:32

The very idea that they referred to it by name, and take it seriously, is extremely important because these two characters are among the leading and most influential figures in the business and financial community.

Also, their attitudes permeate down into the ranks of some of the most prestigious names in business because of their ownership activities.

Watch for another upsurge in PO.com visitorship as this news spreads a little bit.
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Mon 05 May 2008, 16:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'T')he very idea that they referred to it by name, and take it seriously, is extremely important because these two characters are among the leading and most influential figures in the business and financial community.

Also, their attitudes permeate down into the ranks of some of the most prestigious names in business because of their ownership activities.

Watch for another upsurge in PO.com visitorship as this news spreads a little bit.


Agreed. We are now seeing a transition from treating PO as a absurd notion to something real that is deserving of more open and frank discussion and analysis.

They do know. They have known. The question now is, what do "they" have in mind for those of us down here in Reality Land using up all "their" resources?
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:35:26

Not to be a downer but I don't think people listen to Buffet for his views on oil. Just like he commented on Yahoo & Microsoft. He said is doesn't understand technology and cannot comment on specifics. All he said was insight into the negotiations tactics between Yahoo and Microsoft.

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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:43:40

You NEVER listen to what these people say, you watch what they do. Buffet started buying big chunks of railways, and private jet companies that cater to the upper class, a few years back. Think he's a recent convert? No way. He's known for a LONG time that energy is going to become very expensive, that products within the US will be shipped by rail, not truck, and that only the upper middle and upper class will be able to afford air fare.
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 05 May 2008, 17:49:47

Based upon Buffet's comments in the recent CNBC interview, I think he agrees with the idea that global oil production is at or near peak.

However, I don't think he agrees with the doomer scenario, though I'm not sure what the basis is for his optimism.

He didn't seem to think that the other side of the production curve would have a notable impact on long term economic growth.

I think we will see more and more people with this position--i.e., they will agree with the peak oil premise, but disagree regarding the effect of the peak.

Once the idea of the peak works its way through the collective consciousness, then people will begin to realize that maybe it is going to be a bigger problem than they thought at first.

But all of this is going to happen SLOWLY.

Probably about the way the flat earth idea gave way to the round earth idea.
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby big_rc » Mon 05 May 2008, 18:16:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'B')ased upon Buffet's comments in the recent CNBC interview, I think he agrees with the idea that global oil production is at or near peak.

However, I don't think he agrees with the doomer scenario, though I'm not sure what the basis is for his optimism.


My bet is that his optimism is based in technology and the magic of the free market. When you are worth $50B, you can afford to be optimistic.

Oh well, at least he has a solid understanding of the problem and is talking about it. That is a boon in and of itself. People watch what he says very carefully.

BTW, I met the man and heard him speak. He is a genuinely cool guy. Too bad, not all the powers that be are that thoughtful and sincere.
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 05 May 2008, 18:47:15

However, I don't think he agrees with the doomer scenario, though I'm not sure what the basis is for his optimism


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It's hard to be a doomer when you are worth 50 billion dollars ( or whatever his money is invested in, i am sure mot much is in the dollar )
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 05 May 2008, 18:53:35

It's worth saying, of course, that many fortunes will be made on the other side of the production curve, even if the overall impact is bad.

People like Buffet will make money then just like they make it now.

As long as there is ANY wealth to redistribute, people like Buffet will accumulate it.

Every time I see the house he lives in I think to myself "that dude understands wealth."
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby seahorse2 » Mon 05 May 2008, 18:56:35

The richest man in the world will never be affected by PO. So, he's not a doomer, bc "doomer" is in the eye of the beholder, and if you "beholden" $65 billion dollars, well, what do you see but green.
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby americandream » Mon 05 May 2008, 20:14:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'T')he richest man in the world will never be affected by PO. So, he's not a doomer, bc "doomer" is in the eye of the beholder, and if you "beholden" $65 billion dollars, well, what do you see but green.


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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby americandream » Mon 05 May 2008, 20:14:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'T')he richest man in the world will never be affected by PO. So, he's not a doomer, bc "doomer" is in the eye of the beholder, and if you "beholden" $65 billion dollars, well, what do you see but green.


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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby cube » Mon 05 May 2008, 22:01:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'B')ased upon Buffet's comments in the recent CNBC interview, I think he agrees with the idea that global oil production is at or near peak.

However, I don't think he agrees with the doomer scenario, though I'm not sure what the basis is for his optimism.
At his age I don't think he really needs to worry about PO if you know what I mean. :)

The basis of his optimism? The man basically spent his entire adult life making a bet that the stock market will go up and it has paid off handsomely. It's rather difficult to switch gears after doing something for 50 years, especially something that has not failed you.

question for anybody: has Warren Buffet ever "shorted" the stock market in his entire career?
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby Pfish » Tue 06 May 2008, 01:00:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'B')ased upon Buffet's comments in the recent CNBC interview, I think he agrees with the idea that global oil production is at or near peak.

However, I don't think he agrees with the doomer scenario, though I'm not sure what the basis is for his optimism.
At his age I don't think he really needs to worry about PO if you know what I mean. :)

The basis of his optimism? The man basically spent his entire adult life making a bet that the stock market will go up and it has paid off handsomely. It's rather difficult to switch gears after doing something for 50 years, especially something that has not failed you.

question for anybody: has Warren Buffet ever "shorted" the stock market in his entire career?


No but he has shorted the dollar by buying Euros...basically the same thing.
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby drgoodword » Tue 06 May 2008, 03:07:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'T')he richest man in the world will never be affected by PO.


There were a number of very wealthy families in Russia and China that joined the ranks of the poor (if they escaped jail or execution) after those countries had their communist revolutions.

Individual wealth is a function of a particular social construct, which can change at any time.

The downslide of the PO slope will witness many startling social, political, financial and personal changes.
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Re: Warren Buffet and Peak Oil

Unread postby idiom » Tue 06 May 2008, 03:13:31

He can't be a doomer. His credibility would be ruined. And he wouldn't be an American anymore either.

Bugger me, I'm bitter.

Anyways he seems to be betting on inferior goods and pre-oil goods.
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Warren Buffett is

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 05:57:14

For all those of you who think the "wealthy" can survive this storm any better than the Common Man can, one of the World's "Richest" men just declared he was "Tapped Out"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Warren Buffett', 'I') think the Treasury will pay back the $700 billion and make a considerable amount of money," Buffett said, adding that if he had $700 billion on the government's terms to buy distressed assets, he would. "Unfortunately, I'm tapped out."

Full Story: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bus ... 21508.html

Warren coughed up $5B of his digital wealth to Goldman in order to save his life, and then he parrotted the Party Line "The US Treasury Can pay it back". This is the End Game in the Chess Match my friends, its not about the Pawns anymore. The Rooks, the Bishops and the Queens are all maneuvering about the Chessboard. I wonder what Gary Kasparov would have to say about all this? I wonder how he is doing over there in Russia?

It does not MATTER which King is left standing at the end of this. The GAME IS OVER.

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Re: Warren Buffett is "Tapped Out"

Unread postby Gorm » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 06:04:40

No, the game never ends. It change forms, but does not never ever end untill we are extinct.

Life goes on and one has to adapt or die.
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