[roccman]

Ok - so now in-laws and friends are coming around to, "hmmm...maybe rocco and ang has it right."

Got a call yesterday from her dad...he is planning to buy a travel trailer and park it on our farmlette.

Soooooooooooooooooooo...the hordes are getting restless to have a plan B.

Ang and I are thinking of bolting rules to the side of the entrance door to the farm that clearly explains what the vision and expectations are...

Here is a first wag...what would yours be?

THE PICKET PIN FARM RULES

THE VISION:

This is a working farm...expect to be put to work...The sole purpose of this farm is to produce food. Our rules are simple, fair, and clear...you are expected to work to produce all the food YOU consume.

RULES:

1) You must arrive here with one year worth of food.
2) If you drink irresponsibly...expect to be put to work.
3) If you harm someone...expect to be put to work.
4) If you are loud and obnoxious...expect to be put to work.
5) If you want to eat...expect to be put to work.
6) If you kick my dog...expect to be put to work.
7) If you don't work...you don't eat.
The work day begins at sunrise and ends at sunrise (24 hours).
9) You are expected to be ready to work by 7AM everyday.
10) If you are still reading this...GET TO WORK!!


Welcome to the Picket Pin Farm !! "

[roccman]

The work day begins at sunrise and ends at sunset.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'H')ow many people do you think you can feed from your place? Do y'all already have a limit in mind? Have you figured out who's likely to show up and whether you can support them all? Do you anticipate having to turn some away?

We've thought these things through. I'm guessing you have, too. It's one of those "hard questions" people talk about.

[dinopello]

I like the idea. I think I would be a little harsher on someone who kicked my dog. My general rule is you have to be a net-positive contributor. In SW development there is the concept of the net-negative producing programmer who may work hard and produce a lot of code, but who introduces more bugs resulting in a net-negative overall contribution. I would watch out for that.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'A')ng and I are united on this.

Show up with one year of food or be turned away...PERIOD.

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'O')k - so now in-laws and friends are coming around to, "hmmm...maybe rocco and ang has it right."

"This is a working farm...expect to be put to work...

The sole purpose of this farm is to produce food. Our rules are simple, fair, and clear:

1) If you drink irresponsibly...expect to be put to work.
2) If you harm someone...expect to be put to work.
3) If you are loud and obnoxious...expect to be put to work.
4) If you want to eat...expect to be put to work.
5) If you kick my dog...expect to be put to work.
6) If you don't work...you don't eat.
7) If you are still reading this...GET TO WORK!!"

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lumpy', '
')
Roc -
No offense, but I know in the past there are those who have, well, TAKEN offense at some of your posts. However, THIS is a GREAT thread, and I applaud you for starting it.


Four year old turned, look Daddy straight in the eye, and with a hint of 'get-a-clue' in his voice said, "Daddy, EVERYONE works hard on a farm -- or else the farm won't work!"

But looks like they will be here by mid-June at latest. So it's YAY and YIKES at the same time!

Lumpy

[Ludi]

I admire people who are trying to get their families on board. My attempt was a complete horrible disastrous failure, so I won't be trying again. If my family wants or needs help, I'll try to be here for them, but I won't be going after them to try to get them on board.

[Ferretlover]

HHHmmm... There is no mention of a) chain of command, or, of b)penalties for non-compliance.

A should be no problem.
B... well, how would you plan to get rid of someone who didn't work or caused a lot of problems? You couldn't just turn them out-they would know too much. And, you probably wouldn't want to state outloud that troublemakers would just disappear.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', ' ')And, you probably wouldn't want to state outloud that troublemakers would just disappear.

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'H')HHmmm... There is no mention of a) chain of command, or, of b)penalties for non-compliance.

A should be no problem.
B... well, how would you plan to get rid of someone who didn't work or caused a lot of problems? You couldn't just turn them out-they would know too much. And, you probably wouldn't want to state outloud that troublemakers would just disappear.

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') admire people who are trying to get their families on board. My attempt was a complete horrible disastrous failure, so I won't be trying again. If my family wants or needs help, I'll try to be here for them, but I won't be going after them to try to get them on board.

[Ludi]

Lumpy, I'd be interested to know what plans you have to provide medication for your person if pharmaceuticals become unavailable. If you want to post about this elsewhere, for instance in the Planning Forum, that would be great.

So many members of my family require medication to function, in the future if there are no pharmaceuticals and the family ends up living here, the majority of the people will be low-to-non-functional.

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'L')umpy, I'd be interested to know what plans you have to provide medication for your person if pharmaceuticals become unavailable. If you want to post about this elsewhere, for instance in the Planning Forum, that would be great.

So many members of my family require medication to function, in the future if there are no pharmaceuticals and the family ends up living here, the majority of the people will be low-to-non-functional.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'L')umpy, I'd be interested to know what plans you have to provide medication for your person if pharmaceuticals become unavailable. If you want to post about this elsewhere, for instance in the Planning Forum, that would be great.

So many members of my family require medication to function, in the future if there are no pharmaceuticals and the family ends up living here, the majority of the people will be low-to-non-functional.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'l')etting go of the useless eaters is going to be the biggest challenge.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'l')etting go of the useless eaters is going to be the biggest challenge.

[Hagakure_Leofman]

This thread gives me a sinking feeling!

It reminds me of a classic J G Ballard short story in his book Billenium.

Set in 'the future', the world has become so overpopulated, that people sleep in tiny cublicles not much larger then their own bodies. The streets are literally rivers of people, and if you get stuck going the wrong way, it will be blocks before you can correct the mistake.

One character, who lives in these conditions, by accident finds a hidden room in the building he lives in. He knocks a hole in the wall, and to his surprise, discovers a room that long ago was bricked in for whatever reason.

Astonished the rarity of his find, at first he keeps it secret from others, and regularly goes into the room to enjoy the space and freedom it offers. Over time, he invites a friend to enjoy the amazing spacial freedom. They sneak in to enjoy what a rare experience it is to be away from the hordes of people.

Because the room is so large (let's say, 60 square feet), he and his friend soon move in, while still keeping it secret. However, after enjoying the room for a time, they suggest that perhaps they can bring their families in to enjoy the space (since the room is so LARGE).

And naturally, the room becomes a little more cramped, but it's still very large!

Alas, within a short period of time, after others are invited, the precious space of freedom has been overtaken, and exactly resembles the crowded space outside...

Brilliant story, from a talented writer.

I also remember a story about the last fish in the sea. I'll have to find some Ballard again. I miss is stuff.

[Pops]

The buy in is when they do.

Susan's nephew recently bought 20ac and a house nearby and is trying to pay it off driving his truck in CA.

Getting kind of tough at $4.40/gal diesel.

[RedStateGreen]

I've been thinking about these types of things myself.

My husband and I have already discussed allowing our teenagers (and any family they might acquire) to stay as long as they like, as long as they work and contribute in some way. As the computer becomes less and less feasible to be on for long stretches I think it'll become easier, especially when they see that if they don't help they won't eat.

I'm putting together a list of what is done around the house, the yard, etc, to help them see what all needs to be done and how they can fit into that.

If any of our extended family came out here (which I seriously doubt they'd do) we would strongly encourage them to get their own place. But like I said, they think Oklahoma is hicks-ville USA and can't understand why we like it here (they've never visited )