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ORGEC?(Organization of Rice Growing and Exporting Countries)

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 03 May 2008, 04:08:29

Thailand proposes rice cartel idea - CNN.com

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej piqued global interest this week when he suggested the formation of a rice cartel with other producers, a government spokesman said.

The idea came as his deputy and commerce minister proposed a rice producer summit that would include Thailand, Vietnam, India and China. Only India has so far voiced support; it is second to Thailand as the world's largest rice producer.

The notion of a rice cartel comes amid skyrocketing food prices that have been linked -- at least in part -- to rising energy costs, the business of another cartel: the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC. Its 12 member nations supply about 40 percent of the world's oil.

Laos Foreign Ministry spokesman Yong Chanthalansy said Friday the Laotian government would "seriously consider" the idea of creating a cartel to gain "bargaining power," The Associated Press reported.


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OREC - Organization of Rice Exporting Countries

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 03 May 2008, 12:40:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ANILA, Philippines - Asian countries sought to tame the spiraling rice market, with Thailand proposing an OPEC-style cartel for exporters and the Philippines shoring up supplies while aiming to end its status as the world's largest importer.

Friday's moves came as prices for rice and other food staples have been rising rapidly around the world, sparking violent protests in Haiti and Egypt along with concerns of unrest elsewhere amid profiteering and hoarding.

The sudden crisis — the price of rice has more than tripled since January — has experts calling for major changes in food production to improve crop yields and cut waste.


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Will be interesting. Talk of a natural-gas "OPEC" and now a rice "OPEC". Maybe the US and Australia will get together for a wheat "OPEC" and Ireland and Britain can be the H20 "OPEC".
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Re: OREC - Organization of Rice Exporting Countries

Unread postby deMolay » Sat 03 May 2008, 14:46:46

Maybe the US should start a Grain OPEC and trade food for oil.
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Re: ORGEC?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 03 May 2008, 14:58:32

Does this mean we're headed for a 70's style grain shock? 8O

Rationing. People in line for hours for a cup of minute rice? Suck!
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Re: ORGEC?

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 03 May 2008, 15:04:05

Nooo. You beat me, Dude. I never break a story. Except Elliot Spitzer.

ORGEC? What's the G stand for? Organization of Rice G_____ Exporting Countries.
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Re: ORGEC?

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Sat 03 May 2008, 15:10:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'D')oes this mean we're headed for a 70's style grain shock? 8O

Rationing. People in line for hours for a cup of minute rice? Suck!


As long as we don't support a nation in that region going to war against many of the other OREC nations and occupying land ('73). Or as long as we don't pit one major OREC nation (Iraq) against another OREC nation (Iran) ('80). Otherwise we'll be fine.

Also, we export rice, roughly 10% of all exports. And we don't exactly have a massively growing need for rice, at least not in comparison to oil in the '70's so we should keep that for a while. This is why it's really silly about the rice scare in the US.
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Re: ORGEC?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 03 May 2008, 15:52:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', 'O')RGEC? What's the G stand for? Organization of Rice G_____ Exporting Countries.


I assumed it was Organization of Rice Growing and Exporting Countries.
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Re: ORGEC?

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 03 May 2008, 21:58:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', 'N')ooo. You beat me, Dude. I never break a story. Except Elliot Spitzer.

ORGEC? What's the G stand for? Organization of Rice G_____ Exporting Countries.


You'll never know! :lol: Shanny amended my title; I wanted it to be mysterious, darn it! Helps with the Search function though.

You being sarcastic, GASMON? Don't know what global rice stocks are at but if we're rationing in the US that's not a good sign. Story #2 mentions Guinea forming their own SRR. You know, Strategic Rice Reserve. "emergency food stock, especially for rice." Hoarding has the same effect as a shortage, seems to me. Dunno what limits you have with rice compared to oil.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ormer U.N. chief Kofi Annan said on Friday that farmers in Africa could double food output in five to 10 years if rich countries partner them in a "Green Revolution" for a long-term solution to the continent's food crisis


EXTREMELY poor choice of title.
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Japan Rice Stocks No Answer to Shortage

Unread postby The_Virginian » Sun 25 May 2008, 02:33:25

The subject is my New headline for this AP article...


READ what it says : Japan has 1.5 million tonnes of rice.

ONE COUNTRY, the Philippines needs 2.5 million tons of rice.

Trouble, and not sake is a brewing....

[web]http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080525/bs_afp/japaninflationpovertyfood_080525025021[/web]
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Re: Japan Rice Stocks No Answer to Shortage

Unread postby Ainan » Sun 25 May 2008, 09:59:35

I believe Japan is one of the only country's in the world to hold large stockpiles of food. Clearly they are more intelligent than the west.
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Re: Japan Rice Stocks No Answer to Shortage

Unread postby oswald622 » Sun 25 May 2008, 13:07:08

from the article:

The Philippines would need 600,000 tonnes from Japan on top of its imports from Pakistan and other countries

a lot, yes, but not 2.5 million.
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Re: Japan Rice Stocks No Answer to Shortage

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 25 May 2008, 21:09:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', 'I') believe Japan is one of the only country's in the world to hold large stockpiles of food. Clearly they are more intelligent than the west.


Japan imports the overwhelming majority of its resources. Japan is a tiny, densely populated mountainous country with few domestic resources.

The result? Japan is vulnerable to a shutdown of global trade.

To safeguard its population, the Japanese government built a stockpile of food, fuel, and other vital resources.

Most of the Western countries are major food exporters. (Especially France, Canada, Australia, the United States, and the Netherlands)

A slowdown of global trade would be harmful but not automatically a precursor to mass starvation.

The "stockpiles" of the West are export surpluses.

Would Saudi Arabia need a stockpile of crude oil or China need a stockpile of children's toys and VCRs?
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Preserving Rice

Unread postby Golgo13 » Tue 27 May 2008, 09:08:36

So I've been considering stocking up some white rice (as opposed to brown rice, which expires much quicker) and I'm looking for preservation techniques to keep it lasting. What would be a good, cost-effective means of storing large quantities of this grain?

I recall reading that white rice, hermetically sealed in the absence of oxygen, can last 8-10 years at a stable temperature of 70 degrees F. The problem I'm having is figuring out a way to hermetically seal large quantities of rice. Anybody know of a way to do this?
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 27 May 2008, 09:14:58

Mylar bags like this
http://www.sorbentsystems.com/mylar.html

Oxygen absorbers like this
http://waltonfeed.com/oxy.html

You can find guides like this
http://www.survivalunlimited.com/foodst ... ealing.htm

You can also use diatomaceous earth to kill bugs
http://www.ghorganics.com/DiatomaceousEarth.html

*I* personally put the food in a mylar bag with some D. earth mixed in then seal it shut. Bugs cant live in a vacuum so using oxygen absorbers should do it to. Some people also throw in moisture absorbers. Its really personal preference. Freezing your grains for 24 hours or so before packing is supposed to kill bugs as well.

Forgot to add, I use a iron to seal the mylar bags. Put a board on the back and get a hot iron and it'll get the job done. For protection to the bag I then seal that in a 5 gallon bucket.
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby oliveoil » Tue 27 May 2008, 09:29:08

Hi,

It may be useful to look into nutritional values of white rice. Some people say that its very much akin to white sugar - in that it's an anti-nutrient. This means that as a pure carbohydrate with no vitamins, it drains vitamins from your body, in order to process it as a food source.

I won't go into more details but just consider an example of countries which (during war, Vietnam) run out of whole-grain rice and were helped out by the US who imported huge quantities of white rice, with the result of masses of people becoming ill with beri-beri and other diseases. (Sugar Blues, William Dufty)

You are right, brown rice only keeps for 6 months, but it may be useful to know that you won't survive on white rice alone and may need to supplement it somehow.
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 27 May 2008, 09:39:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oliveoil', 'H')i,
You are right, brown rice only keeps for 6 months, but it may be useful to know that you won't survive on white rice alone and may need to supplement it somehow.


So do you think WHITE RICE supplemented with vitamins would be a good solution?

Or is there a grain that is overall superior to rice?

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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby Artman12 » Tue 27 May 2008, 10:06:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Golgo13', 'S')o I've been considering stocking up some white rice (as opposed to brown rice, which expires much quicker) and I'm looking for preservation techniques to keep it lasting. What would be a good, cost-effective means of storing large quantities of this grain?

I recall reading that white rice, hermetically sealed in the absence of oxygen, can last 8-10 years at a stable temperature of 70 degrees F. The problem I'm having is figuring out a way to hermetically seal large quantities of rice. Anybody know of a way to do this?



I used a vacuum sealer with a canning jar lid attachment to seal up quite a few jars of rice around Y2K. I still use these occasionally and they have all remained quite fresh.
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Re: Preserving Rice

Unread postby zberry » Tue 27 May 2008, 10:20:06

If you order from Rainy Day Foods/Walton Feed, they have something called a "SP" or Super Pail. (As opposed to the RB - ribbed bucket)
It's a six-gallon bucket, about 40-45 pounds of grain. They put oxygen absorbers in a mylar bag with the grain, and then seal it, and then seal the 6-gallon bucket.
In other words, they do all the work of putting the oxygen absorbers and sealing the mylar.
This is the route I took with about 12 buckets of rice and wheat.
Here's a helpful video on how to seal bags with a clothing iron.
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And another one from Frugal Squirrels, from where you can get not only mylar bags and oxygen absorbers but also cans of heirloom seeds.
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