[IanC]

I really appreciated this article. I think it's important for the MSM to display the facts for all of us to read without getting too concerned about "sounding alarms" and laying blame. There are lots of other websites for that.

The information was stark and anyone who can reason even slightly deeper past the facts into how this reality will affect their lives, should be concerned, despondent, and maybe even frantic.

The part about Cantarell was particularly disturbing to me.

As the developing world increases demand, it just means more people will be disappointed and even vengeful when their dreams of a "richer" future are dashed on the rocks of reality. There will be major political instability for decades.

-Ian
Biking to nowhere...

[yesplease]

How are you defining affluence BT?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'H')ow are you defining affluence BT?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', '
')But we never needed the suburbs.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdumars', '[')b]Seriously.

If this is not the proverbial shot over the bow, I don't know what is.

[BigTex]

I love the last line in the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut the International Energy Agency estimates that current investments will be insufficient to replace declining oil production. The energy agency said it would take $5.4 trillion by 2030 to raise global output. Otherwise, it warned that a crisis before 2015 involving “an abrupt run-up in prices” could not be ruled out.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')The only sure way to reduce the number of children a couple has is to increase the per capita income. Increasing income means increasing consumption.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')The only sure way to reduce the number of children a couple has is to increase the per capita income. Increasing income means increasing consumption.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')The only sure way to reduce the number of children a couple has is to increase the per capita income. Increasing income means increasing consumption.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'H')ow are you defining affluence BT?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')We could never do something so barbaric.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'M')y European friends, look at our map. It is the distance that hurts us along with a low density of population. In small towns we have no mass transit. Not many can bike or hike twenty miles one way.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'M')y European friends, look at our map. It is the distance that hurts us along with a low density of population. In small towns we have no mass transit. Not many can bike or hike twenty miles one way.

[Revi]

Our cars are mostly going to be extinct in a couple of years. The small ones that seat 5 will all be full of people getting places, while the gigantors will all end up as plow trucks or motorized wheelbarrows for a while before we call up the car crushers.

Dummies love those SUV's. Got a hemi?

[yesplease]

Older ones are already worth their weight in scrap. A hundred for the cat, another fifty for the Al stuff, maybe sell some good parts off for another hundred or so, and scrap the 1.5-2.5 tons left for a couple hundred.

[shortonoil]

whereagles said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he masses want to mug the oil companies CEOs to force lower gasoline prices. That's at least what I see in a local automobile forum...

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'N')o one will get the significance of the article, or very few anyway.

This is America! We don't do limits.

The REAL isssue that most people are probably several realizations from understanding is that we are on a doom trajectory no matter what happens:

1. If we get population growth under control, we are going to have rising levels of affluence aggravating resource constraints.

2. If we don't get population growth under control, we are going to aggravate resource constraints.

Either way, the REAL problem is not too little oil, it's too many people wanting to live too well off of a finite production capacity.

THAT'S the way people should be looking at it.

As usual, though, people are talking about how to facilitate more growth, rather than talking about how to reduce the need for more growth.

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]whereagles said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he masses want to mug the oil companies CEOs to force lower gasoline prices. That's at least what I see in a local automobile forum...

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')his is really scary. Why isn't anyone doing anything? I think this article shows that most people are where we were 6 or 7 years ago. They are still in the shock and denial phase.The NYTimes must have just realized what's going on. Heaven help us when the masses figure out what's happening, or when the denial turns to anger, the next step in the process.

[patience]

It all reminds me of an old Gary Larsen cartoon, of an auditorium full of dinosaurs listening to one speaking, "The bad news is, the climate is changing threatening us with extinction, and we all have a brain the size of a walnut." Or something like that, I forget the text exactly. Clear picture, though.

We will follow our hormone-progammed lust to reproduce unto the end.