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Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby coberst » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 06:24:39

Doin what comes naturally

I think that one of the most egregious informal fallacies we Americans are bombarded with is prescriptions camouflaged as descriptions. The value of education lay in its monetary value, GDP is an accurate measure of a nation’s accomplishment, the environment is not an issue in the Corporate bottom line, well-being is the Corporate bottom line, the Corporation is responsible only to their share holders, health care in America is the best, CEO pay is meritocracy in action, etc. These are all understood as descriptions of reality rather than being the prescriptions of those who profit by such things.

I am claiming that we are led to accept as truism that it is “natural” for education to be valued in dollars, a GDP growth of 4% is a measure of the nation’s well-being, Corporations are not responsible for the environment, CEOs get the big bucks because they are what make the institution successful, etc. That which is ‘natural’ is accepted without question. In such a milieu we easily accept the hurricane as a description of why the poor have lost everything in New Orleans. An examination will, I think, disclose that the poor were doomed to such a happening by the ordination of the powerful over past decades.

Describing the status quo as natural and universal is an effective means for maintaining the status quo. I am claiming that the status quo is described as natural and universal, when in fact the status quo is ordained by the “Wizard”. “Follow the money” is a useful tactic for discovering those who are the elements of the “Wizard”.

What is the logical consequence to our planet when the world economy must grow every year?
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby Hagakure_Leofman » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 06:38:48

but how can anything be 'unnatural'? We are, of this world.
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Sun 27 Apr 2008, 11:09:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', 'b')ut how can anything be 'unnatural'? We are, of this world.


Thoughts and actions can be 'unnatural'. I'm supposing this is what coberst is driving at.
' A man's true delight is to do the things he was made for. He was made to show goodwill to his kind, to rise above the prompting of his senses, to distinguish appearences from realities, and to pursue the study of universal Nature and her works.' ~ Marcus Aurelius, Meditations.
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby coberst » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 03:26:13

The logical consequence of an ever expanding economy is the consumption of the planet.
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 07:47:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'T')he logical consequence of an ever expanding economy is the consumption of the planet.

Sadly true.
I do what I can not to contribute to that consumption. I tend to agree with James Lovelock(Gaia Theory), that we've now gone too far, and remedial action is now pointless. He suggests enjoying oneself while one can...to that end I spent the whole weekend riding on my single speed 30 year old(this summer) Raleigh bike. Observed Nature at a slower pace, watched couples walk in the park hand in hand, enjoyed the laughter of young children on a sunny day, composed in my head a few more lines for a poem I am writing, sat and soaked up the ancient sunlight, a dared to live life one day at a time...
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 13:10:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aurelius', '
')' A man's true delight is to do the things he was made for. He was made to show goodwill to his kind, to rise above the prompting of his senses, to distinguish appearences from realities, and to pursue the study of universal Nature and her works.' ~ Marcus Aurelius, Meditations.
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Actually, man wasn't "made" to do anything. Man is an animal, and like other animals, man evolved in response to natural selection. :)
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 15:38:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aurelius', '
')' A man's true delight is to do the things he was made for. He was made to show goodwill to his kind, to rise above the prompting of his senses, to distinguish appearences from realities, and to pursue the study of universal Nature and her works.' ~ Marcus Aurelius, Meditations.
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Actually, man wasn't "made" to do anything. Man is an animal, and like other animals, man evolved in response to natural selection. :)

True. If I could have delved into the mind of M. Aurelius, I think that what you state is what he was expressing, just couched in terms of philosophy. :)
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 15:43:27

It's "natural" for civilization to grow.

http://anthropik.com/2005/10/thesis-12- ... ways-grow/

It's "natural" for humans to live in cultures other than civilization.

http://anthropik.com/2005/09/thesis-7-h ... band-life/
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 16:06:20

Ludi, glad to see someone else is thinking outside of the box(er, cage) ;)
Anthropik has some interesting insights. Have you read Ran Prieur?
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Re: Doin what comes naturally

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 28 Apr 2008, 16:14:23

I've read a very small bit of Ran Prieur, not much though.

I haven't even read everything at Anthropik; I just share most of Jason Godesky's viewpint and he is a good, clear writer, so I link to his stuff.
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