[madpaddler]

Sorry if this is not in the correct discussion area. I have been visiting this forum for a few years, mostly as an information gathering source, not so much on the participation level. I have gained some knowledge of what is happening to our world due to the effects of PO and other activities that we have ALL inflicted on the planet/society thanks to many contributors to the forum. I just watched the video below and truly feel very sick to my stomach. Sure, some of you have probably watch this and have opinions, I just wanted to share this and hopefully get some feedback from how others interpret the information presented. I believe there are many things developing to create the perfect storm we all read and some speak of.

After watching this video, I finally realize what "us" Americans have done to really screw things up. I now understand what part we continue to be in propagating the continuation of this process. Personally I am going to do what ever it takes to try to make a difference while the same time preparing myself and family for the times ahead. Again, I am very interested in what a bunch of intelligent thoughtful people think of this content. Thanks in advance for the sharing of information.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3867390173

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter watching this video, I finally realize what "us" Americans have done to really screw things up.

[madpaddler]

Cashmere, Great name by the way,

Not concerned about labels, as it appears that process has begun on many levels. And my statement is far from being unpatriotic, I love and care for my country and what it was suppose to represent. If being a traitor is standing up to the manipulations of the last century by a few greedy power hungry entities, then it appears now is the time for people to mobilize into action. There are more and more people out there willing to stand up, not crackpots mind you. The people are truly the answer, not running away or complaining or hypothesizing over what is happening, but we need to begin doing something to help stop the direction we currently head . A handful of greedy evil people began this march, the masses can stop it. Just look at history. By sharing facts and truth to all, even "sheeple" can affect true change.

[smallpoxgirl]

I swear to god, some moron could make a video about how there's no law against raping children, post it on youtube, and you people would believe it.

[smallpoxgirl]

By the way, if you're having a hard time finding the law that requires you to pay income taxes, Try 26USC1 link

Granted it's an evil law, but it clearly is the law.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'B')y the way, if you're having a hard time finding the law that requires you to pay income taxes, Try 26USC1 link

Granted it's an evil law, but it clearly is the law.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'T')rue, but it's also unconstitutional. It's in direct violation of the 10th amendment. Of course, good luck having that position upheld in court...Wars have begun that way.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'T')rue, but it's also unconstitutional. It's in direct violation of the 10th amendment. Of course, good luck having that position upheld in court...Wars have begun that way.

[madpaddler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'B')y the way, if you're having a hard time finding the law that requires you to pay income taxes, Try 26USC1 link

Granted it's an evil law, but it clearly is the law.

[BigTex]

In addition to my responsibilities here, I am a tax attorney, and ALL arguments about the legality/constitutionality/morality of the income tax are a complete waste of your time and energy.

Much better to hire someone who understands how the system ACTUALLY works, rather than someone who understands how it SHOULD work.

I'm not commenting on whether any of the tax protest movements' arguments are interesting or not, I'm just saying that you shouldn't test an anti-gravity device by jumping off the top of a building.

Focus on what works.

***

FYI, "USC", or United States Code, is where the federal laws appear after being passed by Congress and signed by the President. The USC publishing methodology allows, among other things, acts of Congress that impact different existing laws to basically amend existing section of the United States Code, rather than adding on to the list of federal laws endlessly.

You may also notice that any public law will have different section references than the USC reference. This is because section 1 of the 2008 FREEDOM ACT may actually be an amendment to 29 USC 312 (I just made that up).

When you see "CFR", that is a reference to the Code of Federal Regulations. These are the rules that the applicable federal agencies charged with enforcing federal laws write in the process of figuring out how to interpret an act of Congress that is within their enforcement jurisdiction.

For the IRS, there is the Internal Revenue Code, which is a portion of the United States Code, and then there are the Income Tax Regulations prepared by the Treasury Department. In addition to the law and the regulations, there is a whole galaxy of guidance, interpretations, rulings, opinions, and other views that come from the IRS regarding the proper answer to a given tax question.

On the judicial side, tax cases can be heard in either federal court of in the Tax Court, depending upon how the dispute arises. Either court is going to give a lot of deference to the Internal Revenue Code, the Income Tax Regulations and will give varying degrees of deference to other pieces of IRS guidance.

I hope that helps clarify how some of the tax system rules work.

One of the rules that most practicing attorneys will tell you is that if your best argument is that something is unconstitutional, you've probably got a pretty weak case (especially outside the criminal law arena). Not always, but usually.

[madpaddler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I')n addition to my responsibilities here, I am a tax attorney, and ALL arguments about the legality/constitutionality/morality of the income tax are a complete waste of your time and energy.

Much better to hire someone who understands how the system ACTUALLY works, rather than someone who understands how it SHOULD work.

I'm not commenting on whether any of the tax protest movements' arguments are interesting or not, I'm just saying that you shouldn't test an anti-gravity device by jumping off the top of a building.

Focus on what works.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madpaddler', 'L')ook again, that is a "code" not a law (ie USC, C meaning code not law).

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madpaddler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I')n addition to my responsibilities here, I am a tax attorney, and ALL arguments about the legality/constitutionality/morality of the income tax are a complete waste of your time and energy.

Much better to hire someone who understands how the system ACTUALLY works, rather than someone who understands how it SHOULD work.

I'm not commenting on whether any of the tax protest movements' arguments are interesting or not, I'm just saying that you shouldn't test an anti-gravity device by jumping off the top of a building.

Focus on what works.

[madpaddler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s a moderator it is disappointing that you can refer to legitimate information sharing as "morons" believing in sitcoms.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('madpaddler', 'D')o you remember the first time you recognized PO as a real problem? Did you immediately dismiss the idea as concocted by a bunch of paranoid gullible people?

[madpaddler]

Please don't waste your time and indignation on this topic.

It will only frustrate you. I PROMISE YOU that no tax reform will ever occur as a result of the line of reasoning you are using.[/quote]

Hey, thanks for the info. By the way, I am not angry, just frustrated. Frustration is not always a bad thing.

[Ludi]

I've found the best way to avoid paying taxes is to lower one's income. If one can gradually transition to a sharing economy with neighbors and friends, and become more self-sufficient (which I think we need to do anyway to deal with peak oil), the need for an income becomes much less.

[SpringCreekFarm]

So are some of you saying that this documentary is complete bullshit?

It sounded like Ron Paul was confirming what Russo was saying. Are you suggesting that Ron Paul is lying?

Please explain.

[madpaddler]

[/quote]
Like I said, I think income taxes are a horrible thing, and the ever blossoming federal government they have enable is a monster. I just think it's really naive to think your going to get rid of that monster with some argument about "You didn't use the right word here." If the federal government is good at anything, it is good at passing laws, regulating our behavior, and coming up with inescapable mechanisms to extract taxes from us.

You want to have a march on Washington to repeal the 16th amendment and the Internal Revenue Code, I'm there with you. Let's do it. But for now the code does exist. It does require filling of returns and paying of taxes. Pretending it's not there is not going to solve the problem.[/quote]

I understand what you are saying, but are we all so conditioned to continue status quo even though it creates an even slippery slope for our future? If the answer is yes, then so be it, bring on PO and all that comes with it. I just see this as being only one of the issues we face in the downward spiral we are witnessing today. This one in my mind is one of the main causes for the devaluation of our currency amongst other other factors such as PO. The action of marching on Washington just puts a face on the problem, but that is all that activity will do, (hey but I'll let youknow when I'm on the way!). I am thinking that through the individual actions of many that things still could be changed. What is one thing we could do right now to affect our oil dependency? Cut back on our consumption, right? The effect would be greater as more participated. Should we all continue to pretend this is not happening?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'S')o are some of you saying that this documentary is complete bullshit?

It sounded like Ron Paul was confirming what Russo was saying. Are you suggesting that Ron Paul is lying?

Please explain.