[timbo]

Opening this thread as a collection point for links and statistics on other resources that are reaching peak for example Helium.

http://www.energybulletin.net/34563.html
http://stickweld.com/interesting-stuff/ ... -industry/

To the moderator. We may already have a thread on this but I couldn't find it with a quick search.

[joeltrout]

Run on Rice

joeltrout

[steam_cannon]

Helium makes a great metaphor for oil prices.
Sometimes what goes up, doesn't come back down.


99 red ballons - Nena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IRDDnEPR4

[cube]

No peak yet but the price of lead is going through the roof. You don't hear about it too much because it's not as sexy as oil or rice. The nice thing about food shortages is you can post pictures of poor people in distress so it helps to sell a lot of newspapers. The mainstream media LOVES sensationalism, they thrive on it.

What's the main use for lead?
You've guessed it--->batteries for vehicles.
The most widespread example would probably be a car's lead acid battery.

Some people argue that the future is in EV cars. The EV1 car had a 1,310 pound lead-acid battery pack. I don't think there's enough lead to go around for all of us.

[35Kas]

I don't think enough of us will be driving EV cars for scarcity of materials to become a problem.

People tend to assume everyone in the planet will have/need/want/be-able-to-have a car. What percentage of people on the planet today own a car?

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('35Kas', 'I') don't think enough of us will be driving EV cars for scarcity of materials to become a problem.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('35Kas', 'W')hat percentage of people on the planet today own a car?

[catbox]

I think even if the entire planet lived like the average peasant in Bangladesh we'd be causing quite an environmental problem. There are just too many of us.[/quote]

And you just don't hear that in the "mainstream...."
Too many people, the system was bound to snap at some point.

cb

[Kylon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'N')o peak yet but the price of lead is going through the roof. You don't hear about it too much because it's not as sexy as oil or rice. The nice thing about food shortages is you can post pictures of poor people in distress so it helps to sell a lot of newspapers. The mainstream media LOVES sensationalism, they thrive on it.

What's the main use for lead?
You've guessed it--->batteries for vehicles.
The most widespread example would probably be a car's lead acid battery.

Some people argue that the future is in EV cars. The EV1 car had a 1,310 pound lead-acid battery pack. I don't think there's enough lead to go around for all of us.

[SpringCreekFarm]

This is out of context of what you meant cube...but...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cube', 'I') don't think there's enough lead to go around for all of us.

[hironegro]

I don't think you should conflate a concept like peak-oil with reality of resource depletion.

[phaster]

IHMO "Peak" also applies to the following human traits: greed, pride, ignorance and fear! Address these four basic human conditions failings, and it would be possible for the human race to use human ingenuity, logic and reason to find work arounds for problems like peak oil, etc...










$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timbo', 'O')pening this thread as a collection point for links and statistics on other resources that are reaching peak for example Helium.

http://www.energybulletin.net/34563.html
http://stickweld.com/interesting-stuff/ ... -industry/

To the moderator. We may already have a thread on this but I couldn't find it with a quick search.

[MrBill]

Without greed, pride, ignorance and fear we could probably solve many manmade problems. Where's the fun in that? ; - ))

[BrazilianPO]

At the end the problem is not contained to Peak Oil, or Peak Energy. It is really peak everything.

This picture is just amazing and gives a clear idea of the limits of the planet in terms of resources.

The only solution I see for us is to find "free energy" somehow, and even then, we would have to climb the mountains of nanotechnology to create new materials to replace what we can not extract from earth. Replace steel, wood and cement, by something else synthetic, made from dirt or thin air, which will require monstrous amounts of energy to make; but if energy is free, it is free. Technology saving us again... A Star Trek Shangri-la scenario.

So, basically, there is no solution. We will reach stagnation soon and eventually decline. The crash will be hard, at least in most countries - for some it will be worse, for some better. Africa will be a goner. Zimbabwe in a continental scale - massive depopulation. And the rest? Have no idea, but there is an obvious clue. Whoever is priced out first, will suffer first and whoever has resources will survive longer. It will be ugly.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BrazilianPO', '[')url=http://www.science.org.au/nova/newscientist/ns_diagrams/027ns_005image2.jpg]This[/url] picture is just amazing and gives a clear idea of the limits of the planet in terms of resources.

[vaseline2008]

Please forgive my "newness" to this site. Although I am new to this site, Peak Oil is not new to me...I have been contemplating it since 1987 when I was just a kid.

Since we can apply a bell shaped curve to everything in the universe...this web-site is fortelling the imminent event of "Peak Human Population". If this is the case, then we should embrace the idea, much like the idea of "we all die sometime".

If the idea that oil came from the biological remains of all past species who have roamed Earth and died (dinosaurs and company) then perhaps it will be the billions upon billions of human carcasses from the downslope side of the bell shaped curve that will create the next "oil boom" in another ump-teen million (or billion) years or so.

Evolution states that man evolved from another species. Then man will witness another such species evolve from the species homo sapien. This is the natural course of evolution and we will be replaced - like the dinosaurs - by a more intelligent species. I just hope they are smarter and do a better job of taking care of this planet than we did. Start writing in stone, who knows if there will be a means to retrieve data from all of our computer hard-drives once we re-enter the "dark ages", so that eons from now the "new species" will not make the same mistakes we did. Books probably won't be able to stand the test of time through tumultuous times (they never do...too many mad leaders like to make bonfires).

Remember, this world is a cruel and harsh place where innocent people including children are brutally mutilated and murdered (Sudan). We live in a world where we glory violence, profit, and self-indulgence. What I don't see anyone posting here is the will to educate their offspring to make the world a better place.

Sure we see a shift in the air, lawmaker requiring auto-makers to improve Miles Per Gallon, corn being grown for fuel, discussions being started, web-sites (like this one) formed and maintained. But will it be enough? It will take every homo sapien's (around 95% or so at least) contribution/effort to make any kind of a significant impact. Education is the only way. Anyone know of a way to get rid of greed? Is it any wonder why religion is such a best seller? A promise to provide you with eternal happiness (I think all religions include food and gold or some other desire/want/need in the after life). The promise of milk and honey with streets paved with gold...perhaps with the rise of food and gold prices God may need some more "offerings" in the collection plate.

To all those who contribute, read and maintain this site and sites like this, "Keep up all the good work."

- Devoted husband and father of two.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vaseline2008', 'P')lease forgive my "newness" to this site. Although I am new to this site, Peak Oil is not new to me...I have been contemplating it since 1987 when I was just a kid.

[phaster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'W')ithout greed, pride, ignorance and fear we could probably solve many manmade problems. Where's the fun in that? ; - ))

[MrBill]

phaster, life is a little like a ratchet for many of us. if we do not succumb to greed, pride, ignorance and fear then it is not that we achieve our own goals by being smarter than the next guy, but just by avoiding making obvious and quite often stupid mistakes. of course, learning to live with failure and moving on is part of the ratchet. two steps forward, one step back.

[phaster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'p')haster, life is a little like a ratchet for many of us. if we do not succumb to greed, pride, ignorance and fear then it is not that we achieve our own goals by being smarter than the next guy, but just by avoiding making obvious and quite often stupid mistakes. of course, learning to live with failure and moving on is part of the ratchet. two steps forward, one step back.