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Re: Abortion/Value of Life - Dems vs. Neocons

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 04 Sep 2007, 11:11:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')I see your angle and yes you are correct yet it certainly seemed you fell into their line of thinking and was running with it.


Pretty much, yes. It's not that I accept things at face value, but in this case I had to in order to make the argument that neocons typically don't value human life in the ways they think they do, and that such a notion goes far beyond being "pro-life," which often translates into a blithe disregard for the "living".

655,000, though. Did not know that. :(
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Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Ayoob » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 11:36:56

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351608,00.html

A Yale student's stunning claims of repeatedly artificially inseminating herself and then taking drugs to induce miscarriages for her senior art project aren't true, the university said Thursday night.

The student, art major Aliza Shvarts, told several high-level Yale officials that she did not do the things she said she did in constructing the exhibit, according to a strongly worded statement issued by the Ivy League school and sent to FOXNews.com.

"The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body," said Helaine S. Klasky, associate dean and vice president for public affairs at Yale. "Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. Her art project includes visual representations, a press release and other narrative materials."

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But was it really fake?

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\ For the past year, I performed repeated self-induced miscarriages … Using a needleless syringe, I would inject the sperm near my cervix within 30 minutes of its collection, so as to insure the possibility of fertilization. On the 28th day of my cycle, I would ingest an abortifacient, after which I would experience cramps and heavy bleeding. ... Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether the there[sic] was ever a fertilized ovum or not. The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading.

—Aliza Shvarts, Yale Daily News, April 18, 2008[8]

A Yale University student who touched off a campus firestorm with her shocking claims of repeatedly artificially inseminating herself and then inducing miscarriages as part of an art project stood by her story Friday, despite statements from the university that her version of events is "creative fiction."

In a guest column that ran in Friday's Yale Daily News — which first reported her claims in Thursday's edition — senior art major Aliza Shvarts maintained that she had conducted artificial inseminations and carried out what she characterized as self-induced miscarriage procedures, though she never actually knew whether she was pregnant.

"For the past year, I performed repeated self-induced miscarriages," Shvarts wrote in Friday's column. "Using a needleless syringe, I would inject the sperm near my cervix within 30 minutes of its collection, so as to insure the possibility of fertilization.

"On the 28th day of my cycle, I would ingest an abortifacient, after which I would experience cramps and heavy bleeding. ... Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether the there (sic) was ever a fertilized ovum or not.

"The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading."
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She reiterated that the display, which she herself drew attention to with a press release circulated Wednesday, was meant to provoke discussion about the link between art and the human body.

"This piece — in its textual and sculptural forms — is meant to call into question the relationship between form and function as they converge on the body," she wrote.


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Maybe it IS fake!

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But now the Yale student newspaper has a guest column in which Schvarts' art is exposed as a hoax - even though she continues to defend it, saying she used what may have been menstrual blood to draw the painting.
''Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether ... there was ever a fertilized ovum or not. The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading,'' she wrote.
When confronted by three senior Yale officials, however, including two deans, Shvarts acknowledged that she was never pregnant and did not induce abortions, reports JournalNet. ''She said if Yale puts out a statement saying she did not do this, she would say Yale was doing that to protect its reputation,'' said spokeswoman Helaine Klasky said.

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If there's nothing wrong with abortion then it's just an art project. If it bothers you... maybe there's something wrong with abortion.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby charliebrownout » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 11:51:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'h')ttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351608,00.html

A Yale student's stunning claims of repeatedly artificially inseminating herself and then taking drugs to induce miscarriages for her senior art project aren't true, the university said Thursday night.

The student, art major Aliza Shvarts, told several high-level Yale officials that she did not do the things she said she did in constructing the exhibit, according to a strongly worded statement issued by the Ivy League school and sent to FOXNews.com.

"The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body," said Helaine S. Klasky, associate dean and vice president for public affairs at Yale. "Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. Her art project includes visual representations, a press release and other narrative materials."

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But was it really fake?

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\ For the past year, I performed repeated self-induced miscarriages … Using a needleless syringe, I would inject the sperm near my cervix within 30 minutes of its collection, so as to insure the possibility of fertilization. On the 28th day of my cycle, I would ingest an abortifacient, after which I would experience cramps and heavy bleeding. ... Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether the there[sic] was ever a fertilized ovum or not. The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading.

—Aliza Shvarts, Yale Daily News, April 18, 2008[8]

A Yale University student who touched off a campus firestorm with her shocking claims of repeatedly artificially inseminating herself and then inducing miscarriages as part of an art project stood by her story Friday, despite statements from the university that her version of events is "creative fiction."

In a guest column that ran in Friday's Yale Daily News — which first reported her claims in Thursday's edition — senior art major Aliza Shvarts maintained that she had conducted artificial inseminations and carried out what she characterized as self-induced miscarriage procedures, though she never actually knew whether she was pregnant.

"For the past year, I performed repeated self-induced miscarriages," Shvarts wrote in Friday's column. "Using a needleless syringe, I would inject the sperm near my cervix within 30 minutes of its collection, so as to insure the possibility of fertilization.

"On the 28th day of my cycle, I would ingest an abortifacient, after which I would experience cramps and heavy bleeding. ... Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether the there (sic) was ever a fertilized ovum or not.

"The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading."
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o Yale Officials Conclude Student's Shocking Claim of 'Abortion Art' Was 'Creative Fiction'

She reiterated that the display, which she herself drew attention to with a press release circulated Wednesday, was meant to provoke discussion about the link between art and the human body.

"This piece — in its textual and sculptural forms — is meant to call into question the relationship between form and function as they converge on the body," she wrote.


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Maybe it IS fake!

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But now the Yale student newspaper has a guest column in which Schvarts' art is exposed as a hoax - even though she continues to defend it, saying she used what may have been menstrual blood to draw the painting.
''Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether ... there was ever a fertilized ovum or not. The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading,'' she wrote.
When confronted by three senior Yale officials, however, including two deans, Shvarts acknowledged that she was never pregnant and did not induce abortions, reports JournalNet. ''She said if Yale puts out a statement saying she did not do this, she would say Yale was doing that to protect its reputation,'' said spokeswoman Helaine Klasky said.

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If there's nothing wrong with abortion then it's just an art project. If it bothers you... maybe there's something wrong with abortion.


Well, I hope she gets the mental health check up she so obviously needs as a result. Yikes.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 12:48:01

Maybe there's something wrong with repeatedly injuring oneself for "art." But of course, injuring oneself for "art" isn't especially new.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 13:18:16

DNRTFA

But what I wanna know is, why we care she's Jewish?

What possible significance can that have for this story?

Sometimes, abortion is a very good thing... like for this thread for example.

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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Jenab6 » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 13:30:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'B')ut what I wanna know is, why we care she's Jewish? What possible significance can that have for this story?

What I want to know is, why we care whether a Jewess did it or faked it? Is there some reason a Jewish abortion should be of any concern to me?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'S')ometimes, abortion is a very good thing...

Indeed.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 13:51:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'B')ut what I wanna know is, why we care she's Jewish? What possible significance can that have for this story?

What I want to know is, why we care whether a Jewess did it or faked it? Is there some reason a Jewish abortion should be of any concern to me?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'S')ometimes, abortion is a very good thing...

Indeed.


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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 16:21:53

I suspect the art project involved was seeing how guilible people like Ayoob are and watching them freak out. Rather like the Japanese artist that claimed to have cooked and eaten a baby. :roll: Actually I'm enjoying watching her art at work in this thread.

Come on Ayoob. Lets here some outrage. Defend those fetuses. :lol:

Ohh...and by the way, Harvard and Yale are not the same school.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Alcassin » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 18:04:22

It has three good words "Jewish" "abortion" and "art".
Just enough to make christianfascists mad.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Kylon » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 02:42:13

This is horrible, if true.

If the woman really had 9 abortions just for a piece of art she is a real sicko, and not in the mental disabled can't help it category. In the disturbed normal looking/acting sociopath bastard nextdoor who wants to rape you while you sleep category.

I think if we are going to allow abortions(which I think we should, because disallowing will simply push the practice underground where a alot of teen pregnant mothers will die from unsanitary conditions), I think there needs to be some limitations. Killing infants because they'll ruin your life is bad enough. Killing them because of academic mental exercise is akin to killing a bunch of Jews because you want to see how cold the body temperature of a person can be before they die (I believe it's 84 degrees btw, from Nazi experiments).

This woman should be locked up if she really aborted those fetuses for art.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby shakespear1 » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 03:45:12

Since it happened at Harvard, one more example of how money is waisted.

As to the girl, I suspect she has some major head problems. Perhaps a semester in Angola helping the poor could ground here to life's realities, though the same environment may be found in poor parts of Boston.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:48:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'I')t has three good words "Jewish" "abortion" and "art".
Just enough to make christianfascists mad.


I know. I'm amazed we've gotten this far into the thread without anybody ranting about the Clintons yet. I do find it pretty amusing though that this story about a Yale student has turned into a rant about Harvard. :razz: Maybe people were afraid of besmirching the alma mater of the decider in chief.

For those of you who weren't paying attention in health class, when you have cramping and bleeding 9 times in 9 months, thats not called and abortion. It's called a period. She wouldn't have even had time to get a positive pregnancy test. Either her art project is watching all of you get red in the face, or she is a moron who thinks she's giving herself repeated herbal abortions and hasn't even gotten pregnant yet.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 14:52:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')'m enjoying watching her art at work in this thread.
exactly, and now she is famous. Brilliant. They've got some pretty shrewd students at Princeton.

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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby Jenab6 » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 22:21:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'S')ince it happened at Harvard, one more example of how money is waisted.

As to the girl, I suspect she has some major head problems. Perhaps a semester in Angola helping the poor could ground here to life's realities, though the same environment may be found in poor parts of Boston.

Maybe she'd be Amy Vealed.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 00:40:20

I've got to hand it to her. Makes me proud of my parents, who also met at UC Berkeley. If it wasn't for Cal State Chico, I wouldn't be here. Thank God for Fresno State.
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Re: Harvard Jew has nine abortions in nine months for art

Unread postby mercurygirl » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 00:42:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaj', '[')url=http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/10/dog_publicly_st.html]Dog publically starved to death for art[/url]


Christ in a sidecar! There is no end to the depravity of humans. Ugh.
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Re: Why Abortion is a good thing

Unread postby ian807 » Mon 20 Jul 2009, 16:05:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'A')bortion is nature's way of getting rid of the genetic chaff.

It will result in a temporary reduction in numbers of those who practice it. Those who would overpopulate infinitely have different ways of suddenly and catastrophically offing themselves. In the long run, those who choose sustainability through birth control and abortion survive better. It's not just a numbers game.
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Unread postby Ibon » Sun 27 Sep 2020, 07:19:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '
')Once this farce is over, they'll be at it like rabbits.


Add to that all those unwanted fetuses that can no longer be aborted.
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