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Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby foo » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 00:21:05

Struggling Americans... their personal stories

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nsurance agent, 34, Tustin, Calif.

My husband and I had to close our copy/printing business in January due to poor sales. We have three sons and are barely getting by on my salary.

My husband is trying to find a job and staying home watching our 2-year-old son in the meantime. We can't really afford childcare right now. We have to watch EVERYTHING we do. I can't afford to buy a lot of groceries and boys eat a lot!

Due to the debt incurred by the business going downhill, we recently had to file for bankruptcy and give back one of our cars. I downgraded to a small, gas-friendly vehicle but while it used to cost $20 to fill up, it now costs more like $60. I work 20 miles from home and I'm trying to think of alternative, cheaper ways to get to work.

We struggle every week. Our kids are 17, 13 and 2 and all they hear is "no." We can't afford to go out to eat, see movies or anything anymore. We can't afford to buy them things they want and can hardly afford to buy them what they need. My husband and I go without a lot to make sure the kids are taken care of. It is truly a struggle and I'm terrified of what may happen if it continues this way. We could lose everything we've worked so hard for.


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There are 63 personal stories so far. To read each one, just click the red 'next' button at the top left of the screen. After reading all the stories, I do feel sorry for some of them. But many of them are saying how they basically feel sorry for themselves because they are forced to start living a more modest lifestyle. They have to give up that 4000 sq ft house that was bought with no money down? Have to sell the big-ass SUV due to high fuel prices? Sell the boat that is used twice a year? Can't eat out at nice restaurants every week any more? Can't afford to send their children to expensive colleges? Can't travel, so there is nothing to do? :roll: Boohoo. After reading this, it seems to me many Americans really are still living in a dreamworld. But that's all about to change. Maybe they should open their eyes and see how modestly most of the rest of the world is living. Give me a #$#"% break. I really am sick of this typical American entitlement attitude. Like a bunch of spoiled brats or something. I have always lived a modest lifestyle by choice. What the hell is wrong with modest living? Sheesh. :x
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby Baldwin » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 01:00:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey have to give up that 4000 sq ft house that was bought with no money down? Have to sell the big-ass SUV due to high fuel prices? Sell the boat that is used twice a year? Can't eat out at nice restaurants every week any more? Can't afford to send their children to expensive colleges? Can't travel, so there is nothing to do? Boohoo. After reading this, it seems to me many Americans really are still living in a dreamworld. But that's all about to change. Maybe they should open their eyes and see how modestly most of the rest of the world is living. Give me a #$#"% break. I really am sick of this typical American entitlement attitude. Like a bunch of spoiled brats or something. I have always lived a modest lifestyle by choice. What the hell is wrong with modest living? Sheesh.


You can't blame the people for one thing: college. An educated middle class is historically the only threat to complacent, overbearing aristocrats/plutocrats.

Those degrees are necessary for the middle class's survival. Without them, it will be the Russian Empire circa 1700.

Everything else I agree with you on, the cars, dinners out, boats, oversized homes, but not the college.

I do agree though that private college is overpriced, but even state college will be burdensome after books, transportation, and living expenses are factored in.
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby Benzin » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 01:17:01

People in the US need to seriously lower their expectations. I eat out at least once a week so that means I cut back on everything else. It's called a budget. Get rid of the crap and the excess; save and get only what you really want. How hard is that? Though I imagine if everyone did this, the US economy would be in shambles right now.

How did we get to the point to where the only thing that keeps this system going is by spending money on excess and waste?
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 01:19:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Benzin', 'T')hough I imagine if everyone did this, the US economy would be in shambles right now.


As opposed to the bastion of stability and strength that exists now? LOL! :P
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby Benzin » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 01:33:55

Well to be fair, could be a lot worse. No?
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby Prince » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 01:42:28

Thanks for the link. As a sadist, I find these stories absolutely fascinating.

I like the Kostenko story:

The picture of their human Xerox copies in front of Pooh-Bear is charming, isn't it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e bought a home in Orlando, Fla., in February 2005, the height of the boom here. At the time, we could afford the home, the taxes and the insurance. It would be tight but we kept planning on "the bonus" or "the raise."


Buying at the boom peak in Florida. What a dumbass. I almost stopped reading right there, but the ending was well worth it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, we still have the big house, but we were able to rent it out and cover expenses.

We are not making a dime on the rental, and when the market comes back, we will put it back up to sell. We wiped out Victor's 401(k) to pay off debt and put a down payment on the new house. We have established a savings account and there is actually money left over at the end of the month....whew!


So they aren't making a dime on the rental, then at **AGE 40** they wipe out his only funds for retirement to buy... ANOTHER HOME!

I especially like the "when the market comes back" line. I love how their only saving grace is more perpetual growth.

This woman needs to have her reproductive organs forcefully removed with steak knives so that she doesn't flood the world with any more stupidity. Yea, I'm tactless and blunt, but this family gets no sympathy from me... at all.
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby alokin » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 06:31:49

I read through some of the stories and it does not look very severe - lots different than the PO articles about the crisis.
And cut down by going out or even eating out - which normal family eats out?? and every week? These are a bit strange expectations.
Buying stuff (toys) for the kids, on toy each at birthdays and Chrissie would be enough I reckon (mine don't know it different)
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby foo » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 06:37:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'T')his woman needs to have her reproductive organs forcefully removed with steak knives so that she doesn't flood the world with any more stupidity. Yea, I'm tactless and blunt, but this family gets no sympathy from me... at all.


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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 08:59:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe they should open their eyes and see how modestly most of the rest of the world is living. Give me a #$#"% break. I really am sick of this typical American entitlement attitude. Like a bunch of spoiled brats or something. I have always lived a modest lifestyle by choice. What the hell is wrong with modest living? Sheesh.


My must one always judge others so cynically?

Yesterday I ran across a viet that lives on $700 Month. He wanders around the campus area and asks peeps to sign his jacket. He was telling me about the 12% - people that run the other way when they see him. You sound like one of the 12%'ers. :razz:
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 09:10:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Yesterday I ran across a viet that lives on $700 Month.


A viet? You mean a Vietnamese or a Vet?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')So they aren't making a dime on the rental, then at **AGE 40** they wipe out his only funds for retirement to buy... ANOTHER HOME!


They wiped out the 401k to pay off debt (good) and then to put down a down payment on the home they are living in. Not a third home like you seem to think. Which is also a pretty good move, depending upon where they moved to. Kansas? Great. Orlando, again, or the coast of Florida? Get those steak knives ready.
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby Prince » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 09:16:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')So they aren't making a dime on the rental, then at **AGE 40** they wipe out his only funds for retirement to buy... ANOTHER HOME!


They wiped out the 401k to pay off debt (good) and then to put down a down payment on the home they are living in. Not a third home like you seem to think.


I never said anything about a third home. The 401k dump was for #2, which I still think is stupid especially since they are still losing money on home #1. In that case, I would have ridden the wave and kept living in #1 as long as possible. Draining one's 401k is a short-term fix with longer, more severe consequences. He'll never re-fund that account.
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 09:18:55

Here's some absolute genius from the next generation:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')He found a job the same day with another company for less money. He now drives over 70 miles a day for work. The truck he drives gets 11 miles to a gallon. We spend well over $800 a month just on fuel.

If things get much worse we don't know what we will do. We do well compared to some people out there, but like most we carry $17,000 in credit-card debt and don't have much in savings.


Blowing $800 a month on gas! Get a new car (say a Yaris at 40 mpg) and actually SAVE money and gasoline. Sheesh. Nice debt. I have a few thousand saved up and I'm a few years younger.

Here's some actual intelligence from the same person:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') had hoped to have children one day but don't ever think we can afford to.


Alert Monte! We're saved!
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby 3aidlillahi » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 09:21:55

Struggling? Hardly.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y husband and I live in Plano, Texas, and we are doing just fine. We had an ARM loan that was set to reset in 2010 but refinanced when the rates dropped last month because I was concerned about rising rates, inflation and the economy.

We don't live in a "McMansion" but in a nice modest, one-story home with our three children that's only slightly bigger than the ones we grew up in when we were young. I'm not ashamed to admit we are still in our first house but we love it here!

We have cut back our spending a lot and especially our driving. We are using our rebate check to get out of debt and will be free of credit-card debt before summer. We own both our vehicles and are still putting money away in our retirement accounts and our savings accounts. I am grateful for my husband's job and that we have managed to learn to live off of one salary so I can stay home with our children.


Sounds like one of us. Except they aren't stockpiling ammo, PM's and food or buying land.
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Re: Struggling Americans... their personal stories

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 17:51:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('3aidlillahi', 'S')truggling? Hardly.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y husband and I live in Plano, Texas, and we are doing just fine. We had an ARM loan that was set to reset in 2010 but refinanced when the rates dropped last month because I was concerned about rising rates, inflation and the economy.

We don't live in a "McMansion" but in a nice modest, one-story home with our three children that's only slightly bigger than the ones we grew up in when we were young. I'm not ashamed to admit we are still in our first house but we love it here!

We have cut back our spending a lot and especially our driving. We are using our rebate check to get out of debt and will be free of credit-card debt before summer. We own both our vehicles and are still putting money away in our retirement accounts and our savings accounts. I am grateful for my husband's job and that we have managed to learn to live off of one salary so I can stay home with our children.


Sounds like one of us. Except they aren't stockpiling ammo, PM's and food or buying land.


I almost expected her to say "and when the shit hits the fan and oil and gas are no longer abundant, we'll be prepared."
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