[overlever]

We need stupid people. A Brave New World was right in that sense. We need lower-caste workers who are indoctrinated into believing they are better off because of being lower caste. To do most of the hard work, we need something more versatile than an ox, yet less maintenance-prone than combines and other machinery.

The problem is not that stupid people exist, but that these days they are treated the same as more useful people. They do not have the same worth to society, hence they should not get the same benefits.

[charliebrownout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TorrKing', 'N')o where is the discrimination of this group more evident than amongst Peak Oilers. Many of the people I know and who I genuinely like are counted amongst the stupid. While most of the so-called smart ones I know often exhibit dysfunctional personality traits.

Of course, in our day and age, stupid people are very much looked down upon in general. You aren't supposed to be discriminating people for race, age, appearance, sex or whatever, but intelligence is the measure for about every position or job in our society. I wouldn't be surprised if we soon are handed identity cards with our IQ on them.

In regular society, many of YOU are considered stupid/insane. Have a look around, get out of the box, maybe they won't survive the collapse, but many of them are darned nice people. If you wern't so arrogant, maybe some of them would become your "followers" too.

And yes, I have been bashing stupid people too.

[ccricers]

I can see what the topic maker means, though. Ridiculing people for their stupidity, while good for a laugh sometimes, is pointless and a waste of time if you keep going at it.

Especially when we're going to be dealing with serious peak oil-related issues in the future. We have a strange dichotomy with people that are not peak oil aware. Do you want to create a greater divide with them as we enter a time of crisis? That will just create more aggression. How is it helpful for our image when we say "LOL those guys will crash and burn" while we doing our part to make meets end?

Say I introduce someone to the peak oil subject. If they don't believe it or don't care about it, I'm not going to like them less. I'm not going to pressure them to care or understand because that will push them away more. It will make the whole PO agenda look bad in their eyes. Don't go elitist on their ass.

I just want a place to discuss constructive peak oil topics without resorting to attacks on the current state of society. Although that does contribute to our waste of fossil fuels, it is possible to keep that subject mutually exclusive to many subjects related to peak oil and energy.