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Unread postby TheDude » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 09:39:28

Who coined the term "Cornucopian"?

Wikipedia sez:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he term comes from the cornucopia, the mythical "horn of plenty" of the Greek mythology which supplied its owners with endless food and drink magically. The cornucopians are sometimes known as "Boomsters", and their philosophic opponents --- Malthus and his school --- are called "Doomsters."


Doomster? Sounds like a frat nickname.

That Doomster, he's a party animal! Chug! CHUG!

Amusingly enough if you search for Doomer on Wiki you get the page on Hubbert peak theory. As if there aren't other ways to become Doomy.

Do we need more labels? There are a lot of what could be called Pastoralists here. Five acres and Independence. Throw in some PVs and passive solar heating, hoe my rows. Check out my miniscule footprint.

Then there are people like Baldwin looking forward to yuppies having to chew the seatbelts on their SUVs to survive. Not nihilists per se. I don't know what to call that, other than supremely callow.
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Unread postby Twilight » Mon 25 Jun 2007, 15:20:11

Anti-reconstructionist.

You heard it here first.
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Unread postby Hagakure_Leofman » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 22:59:32

Well, I was just reading the entry on wikipedia for cornucopians. Specifically, the section that references the 'horn of plenty', and I thought to myself, now there is a great peak oil thread right there!

For laughs.... Of course, why am I not surprised that the Dude has already created this thread! :twisted:

I've gotta say though. Just walking into a supermarket has an element of cornucopian[ism] to it. To quote wikipedia, vis-a-vis the fully stocked shelves of a supermarket that... "suppl[y]ied its owners with endless food and drink magically"

Ta Da! Magic!
So in honour of a fine thread, I've created the graphic below.
I think Fantasia pretty much sums it up.

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Of course, I could turn this into a flow chart, and show what happened after mickey's great idea of conjuring brooms to do his chores, but that would be thoroughly UN-CORNUCOPIAN!
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Unread postby Ludi » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 23:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', ' ')Just walking into a supermarket has an element of cornucopian[ism] to it.


I tell ya. There's rarely a time I go to the grocery store without being in dumbstruck awe over the excessive, over the top, amazing abundance and luxury of it all.

Strange times we live in.
8O 8O 8O
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Unread postby eastbay » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 23:11:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', ' ')Just walking into a supermarket has an element of cornucopian[ism] to it.


I tell ya. There's rarely a time I go to the grocery store without being in dumbstruck awe over the excessive, over the top, amazing abundance and luxury of it all.

Strange times we live in.
8O 8O 8O


And I might add, the 'temporariness' of it all. And what an incredibly brilliant bloom we made! We lit it all up at once and it was wonderful! :)
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Unread postby Pops » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 23:29:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'W')ho coined the term "Cornucopian"?

Dude, for whatever reason when I saw that question I instantly saw the cornucopia mural on the side of the old city hall (maybe it was a pool hall) in my home town.

I grew up in Ceres - look her up.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 23:37:02

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Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 01:17:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', ' ')Just walking into a supermarket has an element of cornucopian[ism] to it.


I tell ya. There's rarely a time I go to the grocery store without being in dumbstruck awe over the excessive, over the top, amazing abundance and luxury of it all.

Strange times we live in.
8O 8O 8O


That's true for a lot of things we have come to take for granted. When I first learned about Peak Oil I took a pilgrimage to Best Buy and was now looking at it with the knowledge that this orgy of consumer electronics was not going to last much longer.
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Unread postby Hagakure_Leofman » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 19:46:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '
')We need a new category: New Poster of the Year. This is brilliant.


Oh, you're too kind :o
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 19:48:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e need a new category: New Poster of the Year.


Remind me in December. Easily done.
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Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 19:51:45

When do I get my award.

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Unread postby Opies » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 20:12:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlinkBlink', '
')We're being human. Human = Greed, corruption, selfishness, short sightedness


Funny how you don't find these attributes among people such as native tribesmen.
Being human has nothing to do with such things.
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Unread postby eastbay » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 21:50:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '
')We need a new category: New Poster of the Year. This is brilliant.


Oh, you're too kind :o


Enjoy it. It doesn't happen very often. :shock:
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Unread postby TheDude » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 05:30:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'W')ho coined the term "Cornucopian"?

Dude, for whatever reason when I saw that question I instantly saw the cornucopia mural on the side of the old city hall (maybe it was a pool hall) in my home town.

I grew up in Ceres - look her up.


Wow! You grew up in an asteroid?

Oh, maybe you mean this town in CA? Been back lately? Never tooled around the San Joaquin but drove down to SF through the Sacramento Valley and they seemed dead set on turning a lot of it into one big gawdawful strip mall.

We have a Cornucopia, Oregon - ghost town. That oughta tell you something. The Wiki page still doesn't cite sources/refs. Maybe I should ask 'em over at TOD? Or ask Deffeyes, he uses the term in Beyond Oil, and maybe Hubbert's Peak?
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Unread postby Hagakure_Leofman » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 07:17:11

I don't know that anyone specifically coined the term cornucopian. It's most likely been used to describe individuals who subscribe to the 'horn of plenty' perspective right back since ancient greek times, where it's derived from mythology...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Cornucopia or "Horn of Plenty": The infant Zeus was fed with goat's milk by Amalthea, one of the daughters of Melisseus, King of Crete. Zeus, in gratitude, broke off one of the goat's horns, and gave it to Amalthea, promising that the possessor should always have in abundance everything desired.


Much like 'cynicism', that was once the philosophy of a group of ancient greeks called the cynics.

There have always been cornucopians. The term just has particular resonance in our day and age.
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Unread postby dorlomin » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 07:35:50

Doomers - Olduvai George
Gloomers - Long emergency
Cornucopians - CERA

Boomers - Raptor pilots on the Galactica.
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Unread postby dorlomin » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 07:49:40

The horn of cornucopia is a feminen fertility symbol. Probibly closely associated with fertility cults. Very intersting and apropriate that feminine fertility and oil should be associated as the huge size of our population is largely supported by the cornucopia of oil.

Obviously feminine fertility is all about giving birth to healthy babes. Male fertility is more about dominance.
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Unread postby Aaron » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 10:41:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')urrently more people are starving than at any time in history.


And our world produces more food than ever before.

More die from treatable disease than ever before.

More live in economic slavery.

Progress.... pfft.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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