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Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 17:22:55

Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost people believe oil is running out and governments need to find another fuel, but Americans are alone in thinking their leaders are out of touch with reality on this issue, an international poll said on Sunday.

On average, 70 percent of respondents in 15 countries and the Palestinian territories said they thought oil supplies had peaked. Only 22 percent of the nearly 15,000 respondents in nations ranging from China to Mexico believed enough new oil would be found to keep it a primary fuel source.
"What's most striking is there's such a widespread consensus around the world that oil is running out and governments need to make a real effort to find new sources of energy," said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org, a global research organization that conducted the poll.

In the United States, the world's biggest oil consumer and among the biggest emitters of climate-warming pollution from fossil fuel use, 76 percent of respondents said oil is running out, but most believed the U.S. government mistakenly assumes there would be enough to keep oil a main source of fuel.
"Americans perceive that the government is not facing reality," Kull said.


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Re: Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

Unread postby HEADER_RACK » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 17:36:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost people believe oil is running out and governments need to find another fuel, but Americans are alone in thinking their leaders are out of touch with reality on this issue, an international poll said on Sunday.

On average, 70 percent of respondents in 15 countries and the Palestinian territories said they thought oil supplies had peaked. Only 22 percent of the nearly 15,000 respondents in nations ranging from China to Mexico believed enough new oil would be found to keep it a primary fuel source.
"What's most striking is there's such a widespread consensus around the world that oil is running out and governments need to make a real effort to find new sources of energy," said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org, a global research organization that conducted the poll.

In the United States, the world's biggest oil consumer and among the biggest emitters of climate-warming pollution from fossil fuel use, 76 percent of respondents said oil is running out, but most believed the U.S. government mistakenly assumes there would be enough to keep oil a main source of fuel.
"Americans perceive that the government is not facing reality," Kull said.


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I find that figure hard to believe. Who did they poll? Everyone I know thinks its BIG OIL is out to screw them. Anything but oil is running out.
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Re: Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 17:58:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', '
') I find that figure hard to believe. Who did they poll? Everyone I know thinks its BIG OIL is out to screw them. Anything but oil is running out.


I concur, just about everyone I talk to is firmly in the Big Oil=Big Lie camp just like they were in the 1970's. Maybe that is a bellweather LOL, all the 'common' folks said something about USA peak and are now falling back to that same position for World Peak....
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One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

Unread postby kublikhan » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 18:16:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', '
') I find that figure hard to believe. Who did they poll? Everyone I know thinks its BIG OIL is out to screw them. Anything but oil is running out.


I concur, just about everyone I talk to is firmly in the Big Oil=Big Lie camp just like they were in the 1970's. Maybe that is a bellweather LOL, all the 'common' folks said something about USA peak and are now falling back to that same position for World Peak....
I have had the same experience. Mention oil to someone, and get an earful on how big oil/government is screwing the little guy. No one I talked to could wrap their head around the idea that they(and everyone else) were part of the problem. It's always someone else that is the problem, never yourself.
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Re: Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 18:32:15

Nothing on the World Public Opinion website, yet.

Most people in the US have never even considered oil depletion so something is wrong with the numbers.
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Re: Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

Unread postby cube » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 18:43:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', '.')... I have had the same experience. Mention oil to someone, and get an earful on how big oil/government is screwing the little guy. No one I talked to could wrap their head around the idea that they(and everyone else) were part of the problem. It's always someone else that is the problem, never yourself.
If you want to see someone go ballistic ask them this question:

1) If big oil has the power to increase oil prices then why did they wait till now to do it...Why not just keep it high all the time?

2) If big oil controls the price of oil then why did it crash in 1997 after the Asia economic crisis and also 2001 after 9/11?
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Re: Oil running out as prime energy source -world poll

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 20:26:05

Here's a link to the survey used:

Questionnaire

The question was "Do you think the government should make long-term plans based on the assumption that?"
a) finding new oil
b) oil is running out

So the question doesn't directly ask if oil is running out but.... Wow.
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Oil running out as prime energy source: world poll

Unread postby MrBean » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 04:42:56

POilers are majority!:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most people believe oil is running out and governments need to find another fuel, but Americans are alone in thinking their leaders are out of touch with reality on this issue, an international poll said on Sunday.

On average, 70 percent of respondents in 15 countries and the Palestinian territories said they thought oil supplies had peaked. Only 22 percent of the nearly 15,000 respondents in nations ranging from China to Mexico believed enough new oil would be found to keep it a primary fuel source.

"What's most striking is there's such a widespread consensus around the world that oil is running out and governments need to make a real effort to find new sources of energy," said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org, a global research organization that conducted the poll.

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In the United States, the world's biggest oil consumer and among the biggest emitters of climate-warming pollution from fossil fuel use, 76 percent of respondents said oil is running out, but most believed the U.S. government mistakenly assumes there would be enough to keep oil a main source of fuel.

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World Public Believes Oil is Running Out

Unread postby TonyPrep » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 06:58:06

An interesting poll from World Public Opinion, World Publics Say Oil Needs to Be Replaced as Energy Source. Maybe this would be the right time for governments to undertake massive public education campaigns, to pave the way for changes to our societies (though the focus in the survey seems to be on finding replacements for oil). Some quotes:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')nly 22 percent on average believe that "enough new oil will be found so that it can remain a primary source of energy for the foreseeable future."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 12 of the 16 nations, the dominant view among those polled is that their governments assume oil is running out and needs to be replaced.
Unfortunately, most in the US think that their government is working on the assumption that enough extra oil will be found.
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Re: World Public Believes Oil is Running Out

Unread postby MD » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 07:13:38

The world public is wrong once again. Oil will never run out.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
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Re: World Public Believes Oil is Running Out

Unread postby patience » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 09:15:30

TonyPrep,
I think the public education campaign is sorely needed to begin to reverse the many years of brainwashing to consume.

Yesterday I tried to put notes on paper summarizing what I've read in the past 34 years on energy and how we should cope with the supplies we have. Public education as a matter of national policy was near the top of the list, advocating simple means the public could implement. These ideas have been covered on this site many times, but the general public is mostly clueless.
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Re: World Public Believes Oil is Running Out

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 09:29:34

Had a bar-b-q at work last Friday and the subject of high gas prices came up.

Got into a huge argument with my boss, the owner of the company because I said the world had reached and passesd the point of maximum oil production.

My boss basically tells me I know nothing and that oil is in a bubble, just like the housing bubble, and that I'm young so I wouldn't have any idea that the worlds been through these oil crises numerous times and they always end in a few years...

WTF?

He tells me it's supply and demand, hedge funds and speculators. Meanwhile I'm trying to explain the depth of the problem by explaining how Chindia is rapidly enriching their middle class who now wants cars of their own.

I ended up saying little more, it isn't worth the hassel of educating people, they'll find out soon enough on their own.


On a possitive note, a light rail station is going to be built by my office with in the next 5 years
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Re: World Public Believes Oil is Running Out

Unread postby GoghGoner » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 09:36:20

Mods, please merge threads.

Another Thread

And Another Thread
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Re: World Public Believes Oil is Running Out

Unread postby Jenab6 » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 09:36:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'O')n a possitive note, a light rail station is going to be built by my office with in the next 5 years

Will it be one of those old-fashioned woo-woo engines? I always liked hearing the old steam whistles.
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Re: World Public Believes Oil is Running Out

Unread postby TonyPrep » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 15:39:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'I') ended up saying little more, it isn't worth the hassel of educating people, they'll find out soon enough on their own.
But a public education campaign might yield better results.
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Re: World opinion on oil supplies/production

Unread postby GoghGoner » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 21:53:03

Well, I was getting off the city bus and the lady disembarking with me starting talking about gas prices and said that they are only going up. She said she watched a show called "Oil Storm" and that we would collapse around 8 dollar oil. Holy cow, the people are waking up to peak oil.
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Re: World opinion on oil supplies/production

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 13:16:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'W')ell, I was getting off the city bus and the lady disembarking with me starting talking about gas prices and said that they are only going up. She said she watched a show called "Oil Storm" and that we would collapse around 8 dollar oil. Holy cow, the people are waking up to peak oil.


I dunno. People who take busses right now tend to be wackos.
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