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Unread postby vampyregirl » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 04:54:19

1907 was the year royal Dutch Petroleum officially merged with Shell Transport & Trade. Since then the worlds population has increased four fold while energy demand has increased 30 fold.
Why has energy demand increased more than seven fold per person? What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: opinions please

Unread postby perdition79 » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 05:18:34

That's a softball question. Think about it: How did people live in 1907? Without petroleum. Oil was a complete paradigm shift for civilization. Everything we are today is oil. Before 1907, it wasn't.
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Re: opinions please

Unread postby MD » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 07:10:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', '
') Why has energy demand increased more than seven fold per person? What are your thoughts on this?


People bought energy slaves, liked them, and wanted more, so they could live like kings.
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Unread postby nocar » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 07:38:22

Because people have decided that having a car is a must. And then a few other things, like bigger houses for smaller families. But cars, and everything that goes along with a car-dominated transport system is the main thing. Cars, suburbs, bigger houses they are all connected.

Air travel is another oilconsuming thing.

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Unread postby sittinguy » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 10:15:07

Having (a) car?? I have 4 cars, a motorcycle, 4 atc's, and a 31k gallon pool.
that answer your question,

I'm gonna miss my pool.
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Unread postby WildRose » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 12:48:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vampyregirl', '1')907 was the year royal Dutch Petroleum officially merged with Shell Transport & Trade. Since then the worlds population has increased four fold while energy demand has increased 30 fold.
Why has energy demand increased more than seven fold per person? What are your thoughts on this?


For most of us in the western world, our energy demand has increased much more than 7-fold. Almost everything we do requires energy, aside from our actual needs (heat, food). When we drive across town for the best bargains, put our clothes in a dryer, entertain ourselves with the internet and videogames, drink and dine out all through the night - it's easy to see where the energy is used.

Supporters of a powerdown envision the exact opposite, a great reduction in the amount of energy used per capita; in other words, clothes on the line, walking to the local market daily for a few items, staying within a smaller radius for low-energy entertainment like softball games and potluck dinners. That would be a start.
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Unread postby Moped » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 19:22:10

Oil has always been available for a cost that fails to reflect its true value in terms energy output, but rather is sold for a little over the cost of recovery. If as we often hear, one gallon of gasoline contains the energy equivalent of 500 hours of hard human labor, then not using oil to increase ones own prosperity can be seen as foolish, especially wheneveryone else is. Prosperity is therefore simply thinking up better ways to use a form of energy that is almost free, and this can be seen in countries that used oil immediately, verses the countries that ignored this gift, ie ie America has its yellow taxis, India has its rickshaws.
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Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 17 Apr 2008, 22:30:43

More toys.
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Unread postby vampyregirl » Fri 18 Apr 2008, 01:48:17

Interesting points all. Did you know a recent Shell survey in America revealed that 75% of Americans have an emotional attachment to there vehicle? I find that interesting. Back in 1895 Marcus Samuel said "In the future oil will be not a source of illumination but a source of power." He didn't know how right he was. That was before the automobile became popular and before the first airplane took flight. He was thinking of oil fired locomotives and ships at that time.
The way i see it energy is all that separates a first world country from a third world cesspool. And it will continue to be so in the future.
Ok im babbling now. Thanks for your responses all
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Unread postby TreeFarmer » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 21:22:31

Travel and transportation. Most of the items people used to buy were made locally or no more than 50 miles away. Also, before 1900, people never "travelled" in the modern sense. Other than migrating or moving people tended to stay very close to where they lived.

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