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Why humans deserve extinction
Re: Why humans deserve extinction
by Jenab6 » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 00:03:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') think it was more the rampant disregard for the fact that "Yes, this was a special place and these were special beings." Just coming in with a backhoe, ripping everything all to hell, shipping the macerated trees off to the landfill. It was just all very hateful, destructive, and wasteful in the way that it was done. And realistically, like I said, there was no conceivable reason for even killing one of them. It wasn't in the way of anything. I guess they just figured things would look tidier with it gone. I was ok, until they killed the last one. The other two were near the middle of the lot, and it would have been hard to build around them. Downing that third tree just seemed malicious. It felt like a direct assault on my values. Even the developer that sold them the lot is apparently pissed about it.
In Mill Point, West Virginia, a couple of years ago, a man bought an old boarding house from an elderly Vietnam vet. The vet had owned the place for years and had created a quaint looking small forest in his big front yard. It managed to seem manicured and wild at the same time, very pretty. I used to mow the grass around those trees in the summer. The new owner, though, wanted to be sure that everyone in the county could see his new house and be jealous of him, so he cut down every last tree and paved a new driveway.
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Re: Why humans deserve extinction
by manu » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 03:05:26
I feel the same way when I see people killing cows. Makes me sad. You can go plant some trees and that may make you feel better.
Isnt it sad that you can't go into a forest and pick up dead trees because it's public property, and then the timber barons come in and clear cut the whole forest. Except for the strip next to the highway.
Isnt it sad that you can't go into a forest and pick up dead trees because it's public property, and then the timber barons come in and clear cut the whole forest. Except for the strip next to the highway.
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Re: Why humans deserve extinction
by smallpoxgirl » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 14:46:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'M')ore treesongs, The Woodsmans Song:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/korpi ... 1429230039
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/korpi ... 1429230039
Thanks for turning me on to Korpiklaani MrBean. They're awesome.
This video very much expresses what I've been feeling this week:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_cf00XMjQwNTEyNTY=.html
"We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Re: Why humans deserve extinction
by MrBean » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 16:27:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')This video very much expresses what I've been feeling this week:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_cf00XMjQwNTEyNTY=.html
')This video very much expresses what I've been feeling this week:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_cf00XMjQwNTEyNTY=.html
Nice humppa and good find, just what I was looking for when I came by Korpiklaani. It's been somewhat difficult to control certain strong urge, but I did manage to resort to other more constructive means... (...mostly?!?
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Re: Why humans deserve extinction
by Devin » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 21:52:25
mercurygirl, I don't want to get off on a huge derrick jensen discussion, but I think he's pretty insane. Writing books about the ecological destruction of this culture -- meh. I'm not a purist, but something is terribly off about his approach. I've long called activists "people trying to convince other people to change so they themselves don't have to." Splitting people into two groups -- the abusers and the abused, the perpetrators and the victims -- only perpetuates the current system and does nothing to resolve anything. He puts a LOT of emphasis on that dichotomy and it's really frustrating. Starting a war goes nowhere without a practical alternative -- if people were to actually bring down civilization without an alternative way to feed themselves, without an alternative means of living, they'd literally be committing suicide.
You can argue (as I'm sure he would) that this culture is already making us commit suicide by way of killing ecosystems, and that's an amazingly effective non sequitur. Until we have a positive alternative, he is advocating for war and mass murder... the uprising of the abused versus the abusers. I can laugh off the dichotomizing as absurd until this point, but here it becomes a definite concern, especially considering the rabidity of his supporters.
I get a very strong feeling of impotent rage from him, like he's very angry, yet disempowered and weak. He can cite statistics and write 1000 page books on all the horrors of this culture until he's blue in the face but unless that's coupled with a tangible positive alternative, it's ONLY going to be impotent rage. And to be stuck there, forever -- it literally makes me want to vomit. I can't stand it.
that's not to assume you were advocating for his ideas or anything, you were just linking to him -- I just saw the derrick jensen link and thought I'd put all that out there. heh.
You can argue (as I'm sure he would) that this culture is already making us commit suicide by way of killing ecosystems, and that's an amazingly effective non sequitur. Until we have a positive alternative, he is advocating for war and mass murder... the uprising of the abused versus the abusers. I can laugh off the dichotomizing as absurd until this point, but here it becomes a definite concern, especially considering the rabidity of his supporters.
I get a very strong feeling of impotent rage from him, like he's very angry, yet disempowered and weak. He can cite statistics and write 1000 page books on all the horrors of this culture until he's blue in the face but unless that's coupled with a tangible positive alternative, it's ONLY going to be impotent rage. And to be stuck there, forever -- it literally makes me want to vomit. I can't stand it.
that's not to assume you were advocating for his ideas or anything, you were just linking to him -- I just saw the derrick jensen link and thought I'd put all that out there. heh.
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Re: Why humans deserve extinction
by hubbertspeak7777777 » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 02:30:23
Crying over a tree? Haven't we led a sheltered life?
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Re: Why humans deserve extinction
by smallpoxgirl » Mon 21 Apr 2008, 02:42:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'C')rying over a tree? Haven't we led a sheltered life?
Some people, it seems, just personify the need for extinction.
"We were standing on the edges
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
Of a thousand burning bridges
Sifting through the ashes every day
What we thought would never end
Now is nothing more than a memory
The way things were before
I lost my way" - OCMS
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Writing books like that until there's something tangible to transition to is fucking useless. That we are overpopulated is no one's fault, and that we have no relationship with the land is an outgrowth of that overpopulation. It has little to do with individuals and everything to do with evolution and enculturation. It's all very simple and utterly blameless, though extremely frustrating at times. Finding a way out is like trying to get out of a riptide -- if you try to fight it head on you'll exhaust yourself and die. All you can do is swim sideways and hope you can get out fast enough so you can make it back to shore. Even then there are no guarantees you won't be eaten by a shark or get caught in another riptide. 
