[midnight-gamer]

http://www.chooseveg.com/animal-cruelty.asp

I eat meat, but would prefer a animal to be treated better than what is shown in this video. Does anyone here have experience as to how common abuse is in farm industry? I suppose this may show clips of the worst offenders, I hate the think that this is normal. Anyone else bothered by this?

[dbruning]

When I was younger I worked on a dairy farm where the farmhands regular punched the cows right in the middle of the forehead.

Claimed it didn't hurt them because there is so much bone there.

Although honestly, I think the guy had anger issues.

And animals don't fight back nearly as well.

So my vote: Yep. Cruelty exists on a regular basis anyplace humans exist.

[jasonraymondson]

Well if you don't want the meat, I will take your share.

Tummy delicious mistreated meat

[Pops]

I helped a neighbor dairyman pull a calf a few weeks ago.

It was wet, cold and windy, pretty miserable for this time of year. She just needed a little help and the calf came pretty easy but was laying in the mud of the holding pen so we were going to drag it to a dryer more protected spot so mom could proceed to clean it.

Anyway, as I bent to grab it the old rip gave me a little head-butt to the chest that tossed me into the corner of the pen and came in for another.

Generally mommas are either protective or uninterested but you always keep an eye on them, I was surprised and the neighbor was too and he has been doing this for 40 years.

At any rate, I kicked her in the nose, back-climbed the fence and she helped me out. I had a nice bruise on my chest and back and was happy that was all.

Turns out she came down with milk fever and though I help the neighbor turn her and lift her and water and feed her she died.

Cattle are herd animals and if you are the one packing the grain or opening the gate they know you are a good guy. I take care of my 20-40 and depending on the season up to 100 of the neighbors heifers and dry cows and can call them to me and they follow like pups.

I didn't look at your video but can guess what it shows. I've seen people punch cows, horses, dogs and their wife and kids an am not making excuses for any of that behavior.

Still if you had a video of me kicking that momma cow in the nose you'd think I was another animal abuser. But you need to understand these animals weigh as much as your car and can kill you when they get feisty.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'S')till if you had a video of me kicking that momma cow in the nose you'd think I was another animal abuser. But you need to understand these animals weigh as much as your car and can kill you when they get feisty.

[Pops]

Of course it did Dino - that's why I didn't watch it.

You are exactly right about knowing your producer. there used to be a ad campaign out in CA for a chicken farm, the tagline was:

Support your local chicken

Of course even 30 years ago they were on the forefront of factory farming.

Regardless, the idea is perfect, support the local guy where you can drive (or bike) by the farm once in a while and see what is happening.


BTW before I get jumped once again let me re-quote myself:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'ve seen people punch cows, horses, dogs and their wife and kids an am not making excuses for any of that behavior.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'T')he video the of the OP shows systematic abuse of factory animal production. It personally makes me ill. I'm all for killing and eating yummy animals but that just ain't right.

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('midnight-gamer', 'I') suppose this may show clips of the worst offenders, I hate the think that this is normal. Anyone else bothered by this?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')'d never really thought about it before, but commercial chickens must be way calcium deficient.

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')'d never really thought about it before, but commercial chickens must be way calcium deficient.

[midnight-gamer]

Thank you for the heads up Jupiter. I did type "animal cruelty" into the search engine, guess I did not look well enough. Perhaps this should be merged?
Also for Pop's, the video goes pretty well beyond just punching and kicking of animals. It's really stomach churning for me.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', ':')roll:

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('midnight-gamer', 'I')t's really stomach churning for me.

[midnight-gamer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h, well, I guess we can all be Mother Theresa here...

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', ':')roll:

[Ludi]

midnight gamer, you might feel better if you become a vegetarian, or if you buy from a producer you know.

The more I learned about industrial animal production, the more vegetarian I became. I still eat industrial animal products, but much less than I used to a few years ago. I'm certainly not a purist, and recognise that I am a hypocrite to some degree (as are most people in one way or another).

[one_more_day]

From another perspective: tonight I fed my kids rabbit soft-tacos for dinner. The meat was cheap since I raised it and butchered it myself. I know it was humanely treated for the same reason.

Try mentioning that to your average person, and they look at you like you are some kind of monster. They are quite happy for someone far away to mistreat animals for their dinner, but I am "disgusting" for butchering mine humanely at home. (note: yes, I learned my lesson awhile ago. I don't ever tell people about my meat rabbits anymore.)

My thought was: If I have to be distant from the process in order to be comfortable consuming it, then I shouldn't be consuming it at all.

[Ludi]

I agree, one more day. I have seen a person chomping down on a tasty chicken leg while saying "I could never kill a chicken."

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'm')idnight gamer, you might feel better if you become a vegetarian, or if you buy from a producer you know.

The more I learned about industrial animal production, the more vegetarian I became. I still eat industrial animal products, but much less than I used to a few years ago. I'm certainly not a purist, and recognise that I am a hypocrite to some degree (as are most people in one way or another).

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'T')hen its strange you think industrial chicken is as productive as humanely raised chicken.