[Aaron]

Trees?

Pfft

Standing there stoically, all "holier than thou"... never sayin' a clear word... just that innuendo and metaphore shit.

Like by not saying anything, people will think when they do communicate, it's some serious philosophical observation.

Bastards.

[Pops]

(sorry to go off topic but since we are...)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'G')et you a copper kettle, get you a copper coil,
Fill it with new-made corn mash and never more you'll toil.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'S')he's a little crazy for trees not unlike SPG. I wonder SPG, do you have a druidic influence like Loreena?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'T')rees?

Pfft

Standing there stoically, all "holier than thou"... never sayin' a clear word... just that innuendo and metaphore shit.

Like by not saying anything, people will think when they do communicate, it's some serious philosophical observation.

Bastards.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')What is the title of the song, if you please?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'A')t the other extreme Save Our Elms spends tens of thousands of dollars per year to inoculate a big batch of Ulmus americanas against the Dutch blight. Plenty of mentally ill homeless in Portland fishing through dumpsters for half finished Whoppers...

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'S')o why the need to give me grief about this?

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', '(')...)
We make connections with trees. How? Nobody knows that (...)

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '(')...)
Yes we do have strong connection with forest and its trees. Often so strong that we became so mad from anquish and sorrow when our friends are killed, that we say things we don't really mean. I understand smallpoxgirls anger very well and share it.

In old times when we lived with the forest and made not war against it (war against ourselves really ), we deepened our connection with forest and communicated with the spirits of forest through sacrificial groves, and each person had a special tree as a soulmate. Then came the christians and cut our holy groves, as forest was our Temple and they tolerated no competition to their churches of stone and monopoly of salvation. But even today, e.g. many hunters still remember some of the old ways and show respect to certain sacrificial trees in gratitude for the game, blessings of the forest... they just don't speak about them in public but stay very hush hush.

What is the nature of our connection with trees, especially old and wise trees? Perhaps trees that are also sentient and feeling beings, as they have very little else to do, stay in constant meditation and very regularly as they age become enlightened; perhaps and very probably trees are spiritually more evolved than us humans.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '(')...)
Yes we do have strong connection with forest and its trees. Often so strong that we became so mad from anquish and sorrow when our friends are killed, that we say things we don't really mean. I understand smallpoxgirls anger very well and share it.

In old times when we lived with the forest and made not war against it (war against ourselves really ), we deepened our connection with forest and communicated with the spirits of forest through sacrificial groves, and each person had a special tree as a soulmate. Then came the christians and cut our holy groves, as forest was our Temple and they tolerated no competition to their churches of stone and monopoly of salvation. But even today, e.g. many hunters still remember some of the old ways and show respect to certain sacrificial trees in gratitude for the game, blessings of the forest... they just don't speak about them in public but stay very hush hush.

What is the nature of our connection with trees, especially old and wise trees? Perhaps trees that are also sentient and feeling beings, as they have very little else to do, stay in constant meditation and very regularly as they age become enlightened; perhaps and very probably trees are spiritually more evolved than us humans.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'A')t the other extreme Save Our Elms spends tens of thousands of dollars per year to inoculate a big batch of Ulmus americanas against the Dutch blight. Plenty of mentally ill homeless in Portland fishing through dumpsters for half finished Whoppers...

[Pops]

Sorry for the grief SPG.

Here is my contribution to the tree song archive - it even has a aboriginal aspect..

Kaw-Liga was a wooden indian standing by the door
He fell in love with an indian maid over in the antique store
Kaw-Liga just stood there and never let it show
So she could never answer yes or no

He always wore his sunday feathers and held a tomahawk
The maiden wore her beads and braids and hoped someday he'd talk
Kaw-Liga, too stubborn to ever show a sign
Because his heart was made of knotty pine

Then one day a wealthy customer bought the indian maid
And took her oh so far away, but old kaw-liga stayed
Kaw-Liga just stands there as lonely as can be
And wishes he was still an old pine tree

Poor old kaw-liga, he never got a kiss
Poor old kaw-liga, he don't know what he missed
Is it any wonder that his face is red?
Kaw-Liga,that poor old wooden head

--Hank Sr.

[MrBean]

Here's my contribution to the tree-song contest:

Raita kasvoi kankahalla,
kauniimpi kuin paju.
Poika oli hiljanen selvinpain,
mutta juovuksissa raju.

Sorry can't translate into English, but basically it states there was this raita-tree that was more beautifull than paju-tree. It ends with the observation that the boy was silent when sober but when drunk, rough.

[MrBean]

More treesongs, The Woodsmans Song:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/korpi ... 1429230039

And a joik with pictures of trees:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/shama ... cid=acvsv3

More joik:
http://video.aol.com/video-search/tag/j ... lyfilter/1

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'I') don't think the builders that cut down SPG's elms thought about their actions on any deep level, or considered themselves insane or immoral. In all likelihood they figure they'll plant some nice paper birches or ashes if they decide they need some flora on their landscape. This is society writ large, I'm pretty resigned to it by now. Maybe Neolithic people are immune from this tendency (although consider Pleistocene Megafauna extinctions), but it doesn't fit in with modern civilization for sure. Tomorrow I'll be zipping up the I5 corridor to Seattle, through "forests" that are actually 500 feet of Doug fir surrounded by miles of clearcuts.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'M')ost people don't have it in them to be a Julia Hill.

[mercurygirl]

Indeed a sad story. For a time though, it seemed that she made a small difference and it does take some fortitude to live in the top of a huge redwood for two years.

Anyway, the tree will die someday. Does it matter that someone tried to save it? Some would say yes. If you knew in advance that they would cut your neighboring trees, would you have tried to stop it?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'I') don't think the builders that cut down SPG's elms thought about their actions on any deep level, or considered themselves insane or immoral. In all likelihood they figure they'll plant some nice paper birches or ashes if they decide they need some flora on their landscape. This is society writ large, I'm pretty resigned to it by now. Maybe Neolithic people are immune from this tendency (although consider Pleistocene Megafauna extinctions), but it doesn't fit in with modern civilization for sure. Tomorrow I'll be zipping up the I5 corridor to Seattle, through "forests" that are actually 500 feet of Doug fir surrounded by miles of clearcuts.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'A')nyway, the tree will die someday. Does it matter that someone tried to save it? Some would say yes. If you knew in advance that they would cut your neighboring trees, would you have tried to stop it?

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') shouldn't be so down on Julia. I hang with a lot of Earth First people, and in those circles she's kind of looked down on because they feel like she hijacked a struggle that many had been in for years. She kind of buzzed in, sat in a tree for a year, made a big media circus, wrote a book, and split. There's people that have made that their whole lives for decades. At least three people that I know of have died doing that work. David Gypsy Chain was murdered by a logger in northern california, and two people that I know of have fallen from tree sits and died: Beth Obrien in Oregon and another guy down in California.