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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby Lumpy » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 01:06:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lumpy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'L')umpy, you must promise never to leave this site, and continue offering your thoughts, insights and recommendations until the last server goes down.

Thanks for your helpful contributions.


Thank you, Tex, for your thoughts, and for taking the time to post them openly here.

I have to tell you, your kind words could not have come at a better time for me.

Lumpy


I can't think of a more useful contributor to this site than a physician who has been a practicing psychiatrist and who now has sort of done a "pre-bugout" and is getting set up to have a family medical practice in a small town.

That's the whole package. You've got your flight surgeon, your priest, your pragmatist and your philosopher, all rolled into one.

You would definitely be a first round pick in the doomer draft.[smilie=new_smile-l.gif]


My thanks to you again.

Actually, I can't be a priest ... I'm Catholic, and my church doesn't allow women priests. But I certainly do incorporate the spiritual into my practice.

And as for the small town family practice ... well, let me clarify that, too. Right now I practice psychiatry in five different rural locations, on different days/weeks. The family practice is likely to be the same -- kind of an itinerant medicine woman :-)

As for pragmatist and philosopher -- well, yeah, you got me on those. :-)

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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby Kristen » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 05:15:23

I've been on different medications for thirteen years. I started on lithium when I was ten. Well lithium made my urine turn black so on to the magical world of SSRI's I went. There was prozac first, zoloft second, and paxil third. I noticed how anxious I had become so good old doctor sheriff gave me a prescription for Xanax. It was great for the anxiety, but too great. I was 16 then and I went from a straight A student to a C student. I was so calm and carefree I didn't need to study. Obviously I had ADD. My next stop was the world of stimulants, which were added to the SSRIs and xanax. I felt like a zombie. I couldn't keep my eyes off the chalkboard and I more focused then ever before. At the same time my thoughts were racing and the euphoria was intense. Then I would take a xanax to balance things out.

I lived like this for five more years. Finally, I decided to get off everything. Two months of immense struggle and I was finally successful. I learned self hypnosis and take an herbal supplement called 5htp. From my experiences I'd say drugs only cause more problems then there worth.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 10:05:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')'ve been on different medications for thirteen years. I started on lithium when I was ten. Well lithium made my urine turn black so on to the magical world of SSRI's I went. There was prozac first, zoloft second, and paxil third. I noticed how anxious I had become so good old doctor sheriff gave me a prescription for Xanax. It was great for the anxiety, but too great. I was 16 then and I went from a straight A student to a C student. I was so calm and carefree I didn't need to study. Obviously I had ADD. My next stop was the world of stimulants, which were added to the SSRIs and xanax. I felt like a zombie. I couldn't keep my eyes off the chalkboard and I more focused then ever before. At the same time my thoughts were racing and the euphoria was intense. Then I would take a xanax to balance things out.

I lived like this for five more years. Finally, I decided to get off everything. Two months of immense struggle and I was finally successful. I learned self hypnosis and take an herbal supplement called 5htp. From my experiences I'd say drugs only cause more problems then there worth.


Small dosages of green prozac my friend! That and pently of exercise. Queen Victoria used medicinal C*****s extracts to deal with chronic pain.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 12:49:57

Some people just react badly to medications. My sister is like that, she gets all kinds of side-effects. For me, they often just don't work at all. Fortunately I have found some that work somewhat better than nothing.

5htp looks like it isn't an "herbal supplement," it is an amino acid. Looks like it may definitely be beneficial, I might give it a try.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycholog ... p_myth.htm


Unfortunately as with most herbs and supplements, not enough research has been done.


I've met people who treat their bipolar with coffee and exercise, or with marijuana. Obviously marijuana will have different effects for each person. Some people become extremely anxious or even paranoid when taking it.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 13:39:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')hink about how human beings are designed to be able to handle a certain amount of stress, pressure and psychological distress.


You have it exactly backwards Tex.

Human beings are designed to handle far more stress, pressure and psychological distress than the modern world provides.

Modern technology has succeeding astonishingly well at insulating us from extreme violence, physical terror, and nutritional starvation.

What's left is millions of minds laying around with nothing to do but cook up every manner of neuroses just to have something to worry about.

Two weeks ago I came within inches of certain death. I was terrified. I felt good for two days. Yesterday morning I used a machete to whack the head off a rabbit I found in my yard with a broken back. I remember thinking "good thing that's not me". I felt thankful and content all afternoon.

We should appreciate the fact that we are so rich as to need drugs to combat boredom.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 13:45:21

We're adapted to different kinds of stress than the modern world provides. The modern world provides constant low-grade stress in the form of noise, confinement, inactivity, and boredom. Extremely unhealthy.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby BigTex » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 17:46:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')hink about how human beings are designed to be able to handle a certain amount of stress, pressure and psychological distress.


You have it exactly backwards Tex.

Human beings are designed to handle far more stress, pressure and psychological distress than the modern world provides.

Modern technology has succeeding astonishingly well at insulating us from extreme violence, physical terror, and nutritional starvation.

What's left is millions of minds laying around with nothing to do but cook up every manner of neuroses just to have something to worry about.

Two weeks ago I came within inches of certain death. I was terrified. I felt good for two days. Yesterday morning I used a machete to whack the head off a rabbit I found in my yard with a broken back. I remember thinking "good thing that's not me". I felt thankful and content all afternoon.

We should appreciate the fact that we are so rich as to need drugs to combat boredom.


I think we are saying the same thing, really.

You've probably heard of the studies where they show people pictures of violence and other disturbing images and noted how the images cause an increase in blood pressure, heart rate and just generally creates a mildly agitated state.

The news feeds us a diet of these images and ideas on a more or less constant basis, and none of it actually requires any action on our part. Thus, we experience a low grade fight or flight impulse all the time, but then feel completely helpless because there is nothing that we can do, or really need to do about some random murder in another state or country.

When you say that we are designed for stress, I agree, but only to a point. For example, many of these kids coming back from Iraq are going to have psychological problems for the rest of their lives. They've been pushed too hard for too long.

I completely agree with you that many of our lives don't contain enough in the way of tasks involving a blend of mental and physical challenges and healthy stress. One of the reasons for this problem is the leech of industrial capitalism that has attached itself to our souls. The healthy challenge of the craftsman doing the mental AND physical work involved in production has been replaced with brain-dead men-turned-robots doing the physical work planned for them by neurotic men-turned-brains-in-a-jar-called-a-cubicle.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 23 Mar 2008, 23:56:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')hink about how human beings are designed to be able to handle a certain amount of stress, pressure and psychological distress.


You have it exactly backwards Tex.

Human beings are designed to handle far more stress, pressure and psychological distress than the modern world provides.

Modern technology has succeeding astonishingly well at insulating us from extreme violence, physical terror, and nutritional starvation.

What's left is millions of minds laying around with nothing to do but cook up every manner of neuroses just to have something to worry about.

Two weeks ago I came within inches of certain death. I was terrified. I felt good for two days. Yesterday morning I used a machete to whack the head off a rabbit I found in my yard with a broken back. I remember thinking "good thing that's not me". I felt thankful and content all afternoon.

We should appreciate the fact that we are so rich as to need drugs to combat boredom.


Tommy, I used to be the stress king and could dominate and conquer my competition on a consistent basis. The higher the stakes the better I could perform. I was king of the hill for many years. Then I broke down, quit all competitions and have no desire to compete in any competitive activities. What happened?

Who cares, as no one is keeping score anyways. :razz:
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 24 Mar 2008, 00:11:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')hink about how human beings are designed to be able to handle a certain amount of stress, pressure and psychological distress.


You have it exactly backwards Tex.

Human beings are designed to handle far more stress, pressure and psychological distress than the modern world provides.

Modern technology has succeeding astonishingly well at insulating us from extreme violence, physical terror, and nutritional starvation.

What's left is millions of minds laying around with nothing to do but cook up every manner of neuroses just to have something to worry about.

Two weeks ago I came within inches of certain death. I was terrified. I felt good for two days. Yesterday morning I used a machete to whack the head off a rabbit I found in my yard with a broken back. I remember thinking "good thing that's not me". I felt thankful and content all afternoon.

We should appreciate the fact that we are so rich as to need drugs to combat boredom.


Tommy, I used to be the stress king and could dominate and conquer my competition on a consistent basis. The higher the stakes the better I could perform. I was king of the hill for many years. Then I broke down, quit all competitions and have no desire to compete in any competitive activities. What happened?

Who cares, as no one is keeping score anyways. :razz:


Points that are too sharp can sometimes just break off.

It's like racehorses. They're awesome to watch, but tweaking performance to that level can easily lead to the broken leg or other major malfunction.

There's a lot to be said for setting a pace that you can maintain for more than a few years.

Vision-master, it sounds like you have really downshifted with the help of the green prozac--I know, I know, SMALL amounts. The chronic is the tonic.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 24 Mar 2008, 00:14:12

They call me mello yellow! :cool:
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 19:02:10

This spring I'm really into plant adaptogens.
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 20:11:46

and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what's the big deal?


You can tell us. :razz:
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby Iaato » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 20:27:38

Lumpy, congratulations on your decision to get your family practice certificate to add to your psych experience. The two will make you a pillar of some peak-oil community in the future.

Oowolf, I found out about Chagas mushrooms about a year ago. I had some in my tea this morning, actually. I used to teach western medicine pharmacology; I try to stay away from pharmaceutical company products!
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Re: Psychological Overshoot and Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 20:37:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', 'L')umpy, congratulations on your decision to get your family practice certificate to add to your psych experience. The two will make you a pillar of some peak-oil community in the future.

Oowolf, I found out about Chagas mushrooms about a year ago. I had some in my tea this morning, actually. I used to teach western medicine pharmacology; I try to stay away from pharmaceutical company products!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he antimutagenic action of the molecules found in the white part of birch bark where chaga feeds inhibit free-radical oxidation; and, induce the production of interferons, which help induce DNA repair.


I think you will get the same effect with rest............... :razz:
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