[GoghGoner]

I have used The Oil Drum exclusively for my energy news but cannot read their oil company propaganda any longer. I don't mind reading anti-science and anti-environmental rhetoric in comments or forums, however, I draw the line at the posting of articles. PO dot com does not publish their own stuff so there should be no reason for me to feel upset...

Here is a snipped quote from one the latest articles titled "Cracking shale and why horizontal wells are slick" published by the TOD staff:

"I attended a talk on Global Warming this past week, by Richard Stegemeier a member of the National Academy of Engineering, who began by drawing a distinction between engineers and scientists, and noting that it is largely climate scientists that have been involved in the publications of the IPCC. He was somewhat cynical about the cherry-picking of data that those scientists had used to try and buttress their arguments (citing for example the major retreat of the Glacier at Glacier Bay National Park, which had its most significant fraction before the GHG concentrations began to increase, and in some parts is now advancing )."

What is this typical denialist argument doing in an article about oil shale? My high school English composition teacher would have rapped my knuckles for being so far off topic. BTW, Stegemeier is Chairman Emeritus of Unocal.

In another article this past week, it was advocated to drill in the ANWR because it would not contribute significantly to GHG levels in the atmosphere.

This is the same argument most people use when they buy V12 trucks to commute to and from their office jobs. We all contribute to the whole!

[Cashmere]

return.

[cipi604]

Buddy, I'm a 'denialist' too, and a peak oil believer , and a doomer .... one very convinced that this is it. But what this has to do with information, numbers, logic and everything you read from us. What you may think is the truth... it could be a lie. For the moment is pretty cold down here on earth.

For your information, I don't drive a car, I use public transport ... like a pure denialist!

[GoghGoner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', ' ')What you may think is the truth... it could be a lie. For the moment is pretty cold down here on earth.

For your information, I don't drive a car, I use public transport ... like a pure denialist!

[cipi604]

Science it is, depends on what side of the fence you are. I'm an environmentalist ... but when you come down to GW, ok everybody knows tha CO2 is contributing to this, I don't agree by how much.
If you consider that I pollute less than Al Gore, he's the 'denialist'.

Take a look here on this numbers, it will help you understand.
Planetary Temperature and Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'P')O dot com does not publish their own stuff so there should be no reason for me to feel upset...

[GoghGoner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Welcome. I have gathered that there is no statement of mission or principles here to adhere to. People aggregate the news they like and comment as they see fit. However, while the site may not have an agenda, individuals do. So long as you are prepared to see a very wide range of opinion, much of it not matching your own, you will probably be OK.

[Iaato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GoghGoner', 'W')hat the is this typical denialist argument doing in an article about oil shale? My high school English composition teacher would have rapped my knuckles for being so far off topic. BTW, Stegemeier is Chairman Emeritus of Unocal.

[Cashmere]

Like I said, not too late to go back.

In your words, I am a "denialist".

In my words, go f--k yourself.

Man caused GW is far from proven, whether or not it is the best current theory, and calling people "deniers" is unintelligent and juvenile.

[Ferretlover]

Welcome.
And, (quickly) learn to keep on your toes. There are a great many perspectives presented here.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', ' ') In my words, go f--k yourself.

[GoghGoner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', ' ')And the majority of our thinking needs to focus on demand issues rather than supply issues. I think we've established that we need to get off the fossil fuel teat. So why TOD insists on focusing predominantly on supply issues is interesting, and rather curious. I have some theories about that.

[GoghGoner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', ' ') In my words, go f--k yourself.

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s you can see goner, there are many ineloquent and obviously juvenile posters here tapping out their frustrations at their Moms' rules about cursing.

[Pops]

You are welcome goner, look around, there is lots of experience here.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'M')y mom's rule was simple - you can only use 1/2 the letters in any profanity.

[SILENTTODD]

I view all 3 of the main blogs on this subject at least every other day. Like everything else, I weigh what I read. I look for something to be optimistic about, but I reject fantasy

[Cashmere]

Pops, I do love you. Not in the man-love way, in the really-appreciate-the-information way. I've been here a long time. I got kicked with the password thing a bit back because I couldn't remember my email log in.

Either you or seahorse, several months back, advised stocking food. Great advice. Taken.

Now you see food riots breaking out in the "3rd world". It's just a matter of time.

I don't happen to cotton the newb, who has already labeled a colleague a "denialist". Bad form, IMO. I'll leave it at that.

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'M')an caused GW is far from proven.

[Cashmere]

PF - what can I say?

I think man contributes to GW. I'm not sure how much.

It may be one of those things where any cure we attempt to apply is worse than the cure.

It's entirely possible, and not unreasonable, that some or much of observable climate change would have happened whether we were here or not.