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Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY?

Unread postby lexicon » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 16:19:37

I have seen a number of charts detailing the number of countries whose oil PRODUCTION has peaked. Specifically, Richard Heinberg did a great job listing them in The Party's Over to spell out when he believed Peak Oil would occur. I was just wondering if there are still any countries that have not reached their peak of oil discovery yet. I know Brazil recently had a big discovery. Has Brazil, or any other country, not hit their oil discovery peak?
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby KingM » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 16:38:52

Given that new technology might allow the Bakken alone to boost US reserves 10 fold, you might add the US to this list, unpopular as that will be on PO.com.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 16:50:07

No country will ever stop finding new oil. So in one respect we will never hit the "peak" of discovery.

When humans discovered Antarctica we hit the peak of continent discovery but did we ever have a peak rate of continent discovery?

Lots of countries have peaked at the rate at which they are discovering new conventional oil reserves but when you include reserve growth, enhanced recovery, unconventional resources, etc. it becomes difficult to measure.

I don't think you are going to find a satisfactory answer to that question.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby funzone36 » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 16:56:14

Is it conventional or unconventional oil fields? If it's conventional then it's likely that virtually all countries have reached peak discovery. I hardly pay attention to unconventional oil fields. They don't matter in my view.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby Fishman » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 17:12:55

Your question was discovery peak, peak being the maximum number of barrels or finds in a year, the US peaked on discoveries back in the 30s I think, the World in the 70s. This data will be harder to get in other countries.
KingM, I believe your comments when production tops the 70s, so with all this technology why hasn't the US bumped up production dramaticly? Talk is just talk and market manipulation unless you produce. To misquote Tom Cruise "show me the oil"
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 18:03:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lexicon', 'I') have seen a number of charts detailing the number of countries whose oil PRODUCTION has peaked. Specifically, Richard Heinberg did a great job listing them in The Party's Over to spell out when he believed Peak Oil would occur. I was just wondering if there are still any countries that have not reached their peak of oil discovery yet. I know Brazil recently had a big discovery. Has Brazil, or any other country, not hit their oil discovery peak?

-- Certainly Brazil, as you suggested. Thread --
-- Perhaps Australia --
-- And next door, maybe New Zealand? --
-- Maybe even Cyprus and Syria? --
-- Possibly Colombia , but much of that already seems to be "discovered."
-- The Falkland Islands seems to be a good bet for future discoveries.
-- Who knows, maybe even the US?. More and more. Though that's an outside shot, considering how much has already been discovered --
-- Iraq definitely looks promising for future discoveries --
-- Maybe Indonesia? --
-- The Congo could be another one --
-- And there could be many others in Africa as well, notably Namibia, Ghana, Kenya, Uganda and possibly several others. In fact, sub-Saharan Africa as a whole is vastly unexplored, with the probable exceptions of Nigeria, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea and Angola.
-- And heck, there is even potential for China to make some significant new discoveries. Whether these might amount to more or less than they've already discovered, is up for debate --
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby lexicon » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 18:30:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'N')o country will ever stop finding new oil. So in one respect we will never hit the "peak" of discovery.


I realize that we will never stop discovering oil, just as we will never "run out" of oil no matter how long we keep producing. But my understanding of the peaking of production, as I recall David Goodstein saying in A Crude Awakening, is that there is a time lag between the peak of discovery and the peak of production. In the United States it was roughly 40 years between the peak of discovery in the 1930's and the peak of production in 1970.

It does seem like there is some discrepancy over what constitutes a peak of discovery compared with a peak of production, my guess being that oil discovery rates usually look less like a bell curve compared with production rates. Any idea why some sites state that world oil discovery hit a peak in 1962:

http://www.hubbertpeak.com/Hubbert/cent ... -new2.html

And others state that world oil discovery hit a peak in 1964?:

http://www.oildecline.com/
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 19:12:55

The 40 year time lag is a coincidence, not the result of some geological or economic factor.

I am willing to concede that global oil discoveries peaked in the 1960s with the discovery of the big Middle East fields.

But discoveries of new fields is not the only thing to consider. We also discover ways of getting more oil out of existing fields.

Is it "new" oil if we find out how to extract more from an old "depleted" field?

I don't know how to classify that. Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 19:37:22

Antarctica has not yet reached peak discovery.

As far as I know it's currently at zero.

(I don't know if Antarctica is a country or not--never really thought about it).

Picture an enormous oil discovery below the ice. Picture hot oil blowing out the casing and flooding a vast area between the ground and the bottom of the ice. Picture the oil lubricating the bottom of the ice until an enormous sheet of ice just slides off the continent into the ocean, followed by hundreds of thousands of barrels of crude, creating an enormous tsunami.

That would be a real Beavis and Butthead moment there.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 20:09:19

my short list of where you will see significant discoveries compared to that countries current endowment:
Peru
Colombia
Norway (Barents Sea has significant potential)
Bangladesh (offshore underexplored with recent discoveries adjacent in India)
Greenland
Alaska NW NPRA
Libya
Iraq (western zone is underexplored)
Iran (several basins are almost completely unexplored)
Russian offshore areas (Barents, Timmon Pechora, Kara)
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby KingM » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 20:49:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '
')KingM, I believe your comments when production tops the 70s, so with all this technology why hasn't the US bumped up production dramaticly? Talk is just talk and market manipulation unless you produce. To misquote Tom Cruise "show me the oil"


Read the post again. This is a question of peak discovery, not peak production.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby Fishman » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 21:39:38

Point taken KingM. But any technology that increases "reserves" that are not accessible or the ERORI makes them worthless to obtain doesn't do us much good does it? Kind of a DUHH moment.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby Fishman » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 21:40:23

Point taken KingM. But any technology that increases "reserves" that are not accessible or the ERORI makes them worthless to obtain doesn't do us much good does it? Kind of a DUHH moment.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby KingM » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 22:28:35

Actually, I think that's perfect. Imagine if all the world's oil were in a tank that you could draw down at any rate you wanted. First cold day, we'd light the whole damn thing on fire to keep our tomatoes from freezing. No more oil.

A big resource with a limited draw is what we need to cushion the downslope of peak oil. If we're still pumping/making 50 million barrels a day in a hundred years it will mean that we've probably survived peak and moved to something else. If we're only burning 50 million in ten years we're screwed.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 23:22:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he 40 year time lag is a coincidence, not the result of some geological or economic factor.

I am willing to concede that global oil discoveries peaked in the 1960s with the discovery of the big Middle East fields.


Wiki has an excellent table of >10bb fields, with date of discovery/size/etc. Surprisingly full of modern finds: #1 is Ghawar, #2 Burgan. #3? Iran's Ferdows/Mound/Zagheh, taken collectively. The Wiki source articlesays this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he discovered field combines three neighboring plots with estimated reserves of about 38 billion barrels. According to Khamoushi, the Iranian Oil Ministry's preliminary studies suggested that the Ferdows field, the Mound field and the Zagheh field contained 30.6 billion barrels, 6.63 billion barrels and 1.3 billion barrels, respectively. The Iranians are now undertaking appraisal work to determine the dimensions of the fields. The field is equal to Kazakhstan's Kashagan oilfield, which is the world's second largest oilfield only after Saudi Arabia's Ghawar. The latter reportedly still has 70 billion barrels of extractable crude after more than half a century of operation.


I see OilFinder(2?) noted this one on page 5 of this thread. As has been repeatedly pointed out he likes to post the OOIP figures from these announcements, instead of URR. It remains to be seen whether these will be more than the respective nations' equivalent of Prudhoe.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut discoveries of new fields is not the only thing to consider. We also discover ways of getting more oil out of existing fields.

Is it "new" oil if we find out how to extract more from an old "depleted" field?

I don't know how to classify that. Anyone have any ideas?


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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 23:29:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'I') see OilFinder(2?) noted this one on page 5 of this thread. As has been repeatedly pointed out he likes to post the OOIP figures from these announcements, instead of URR. It remains to be seen whether these will be more than the respective nations' equivalent of Prudhoe.

Actually, some of the oil discoveries in my "Catalog" thread are recoverable, not just OIP. For example, the 5-8 billion barrel figure Petrobras has cited for Tupi is recoverable, not just OIP. But in other discoveries I've listed it is OIP, and for others it's not certain which they're talking about. So it's really kind-of a mix.
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby Moped » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 11:21:02

New Zealand has yet to pump any significant oil, but indications are good that at least three promising regions will yield reasonably large discoveries over the next decade. Its no conincidence that China cut its first free trade deal with NZ recently, behind the hype thats all about energy and access to Antartica.

The first (great southern basin) exploration tender was secured by Exxon Mobil, a US company, it'll be very interesting to see who gets the next one. If its China or Russia will the yanks get pissed?
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Re: Any countries that haven't reached peak of oil DISCOVERY

Unread postby Gerben » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 17:58:11

Cambodja is probably not at peak discovery. Maybe some more countries in the region. Also there are a few African countries where exploration has only recently started.
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