[Gvil]

The real crisis we are facing is not an environmental crisis, a population crisis, economic crisis, a social crisis, or a political crisis. It is, at its root, a crisis of consciousness.

link
http://www.peterrussell.com/Speaker/Talks/WBA.php

I think it is worth reading. Peak Oil is just a symptom of something going bad with our way of thinking, with our consciousness. I would like to hear your opinions.

[TheHorrorTheHorror]

Agreed; our only hope is by using our brains, but our emotionally-driven social behavior evolved for primitive living. IMHO we can't overcome all that reptile brain, built-in xenophobia, drive to dominate, etc. stuff quickly enough to deal with our overshoot.

[steam_cannon]

It looks like a nice article and the seizure inducing background is
certainly amusing (only noticeable on flat screen monitors).

But I just want to mention, the problem is not simply awareness
or consciousness of the problem, not at all. It's that they desire
environmental destruction.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources was
unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. In public
testimony he said, "after the last tree is felled, Christ will come back."

A 2002 TIME/CNN poll found that 59 percent of Americans believe that
the prophecies found in the book of Revelations are going to come true.

http://www.alternet.org/story/20666/

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheHorrorTheHorror', 'A')greed; our only hope is by using our brains, but our
emotionally-driven social behavior evolved for primitive living. IMHO we
can't overcome all that reptile brain, built-in xenophobia, drive to
dominate, etc. stuff quickly enough to deal with our overshoot.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '[')b]Most Americans don't view the earth as a legacy, they view it as a toilet until they are freed to be their angelic selves and play X-box in the clouds.

[Revi]

Sustainabiity is a choice. It is a very hard thing to do. We are tapping our maple trees with smaller "ecolo" taps and not using vacuum. If we used bigger taps and vacuum we could double our production from the same trees. We choose to tap lightly so that the maples can grow, therefore produce more maple syrup in the future. It is a choice. Fortunately we can make that choice since we are not that dependent on the income from that piece of land yet. If things get much worse we may be tempted to borrow from the future.

www.msad54.org/sahs/appliedarts/artlofv ... /index.htm

We have all been borrowing from the future for many years now. Unfortunately the future we were borrowing from is now. I don't see how the next few years are going to work out, let alone the next decade.

Sustainability to me isn't some religious dogma, but a way of living. I agree with the rapture theory. I try to talk to most people, but they are living in some strange alternate reality. We are going to have to get back to what is reality, and re-learn sustainability. Unfortunately, I don't think most people are going to like it.

[Ludi]

Don't you like it, Revi?

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'M')ost Americans don't view the earth as a legacy, they view it as a toilet until are freed to be their angelic selves and play X-box in the clouds.

[evilgenius]

It's funny because Christianity contains scriptures like, 'time for destroying the destroyers of the earth'. The problem isn't the religion, but the imbeciles that want it to say what makes them happy. Religion isn't all about happiness and it isn't all about sacrifice either.

[POAlex]

For he who has ears to hear.

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." [John 15:18]

Sadly, that's our Creator speaking.

Alex

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'F')or he who has ears to hear.

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." [John 15:18]

Sadly, that's our Creator speaking.

Alex

[FreakOil]

According to a Chinese creation myth that is also common in parts of Southeast Asia, the universe was formed when the god Pangu broke apart his egg. He then grew and grew until the heaven and earth were separated. Pangu then fall apart, each part of his body becoming a part of the earth. Humans were the lice in his hair. Compare that to the Bible, where man was created in god's image.

It was a nice creation myth for a nation of organic farmers. Then Mao came along and said man could control the earth, and Deng came along and told everyone to get rich.

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'D')on't you like it, Revi?

[Ludi]

I think if some people (like you Revi) are able to like sustainability, and model it for others as an enjoyable thing, then others will like it too. Obviously it is hard for these examples to compete with advertising in the consumer world, but it is a start.

[Fredrik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'T')hese people will respond to shortages when their god fails to provide, but don't expect them to do anything proactive. These
people all expect to be provided for and believe the earth is their
toilet paper. You can't change that without changing their religion,
so basically you can't change that.

Sure you can reach people in areas where less of the population
thinks they will be a "rapture". But in parts of the country where
people ask you if you are "rapture ready?", you don't stand a
snowballs chance in hell of convincing these people of anything.
Their god doesn't live on earth and so the earth is not their home or
important to them. There is no future, no legacy, no consequences
to these people. There concern is "the rapture".

[Ludi]

I don't think simple moral arguments work with a certain mentality.

"It is God's will for them to die" they could easily respond. "This is God's judgment."

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', '"')If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." [John 15:18]

Sadly, that's our Creator speaking.

[FreakOil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') don't think simple moral arguments work with a certain mentality.

"It is God's will for them to die" they could easily respond. "This is God's judgment."

[Fredrik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') don't think simple moral arguments work with a certain mentality.

"It is God's will for them to die" they could easily respond. "This is God's judgment."

[Fredrik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') don't think simple moral arguments work with a certain mentality.

"It is God's will for them to die" they could easily respond. "This is God's judgment."