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Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby coberst » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 16:29:52

Why does economic development matter?

Is economic development an end-in-itself or is it a means to some other end? What is the telos (ultimate end) of economic development?

The basic needs, as developed by Maslow and probably many others, are fundamentally dependent upon the economies of the nation within which we all live. The economy is not the only affecting reality, there also is social stratification, and other fundamentals, but economic development is a very important factor.

The economic development within a society is governed by many sources; local government, national government, NGOs (nongovernmental organizations), and now a growing globalization ties the whole world together more or less.

Economists generally define the goal of economic development in terms of sustained economic growth, i.e. sustained rise in per capita gross domestic growth, i.e. GDP. Some economists define the goal in terms of equity within development, i.e. growth with equity. If all of the benefits of growth merely make the rich richer and the poor poorer we are not reaching a desirable goal.

There are negative feedback control systems such as a furnace/thermostat or our own bodies. There are positive feedback control systems such as an ordinary fire or our capitalistic economic system.

In a fire the higher the temperature the faster the fuel is burned; the faster the fuel burns the higher goes the temperature. In a business enterprise it is common practice to put a percentage of profit into advertising. More advertising creates greater sales, which mean higher profit.

A negative feedback system seeks out equilibrium; a positive feedback system has no equilibrium and is ever accelerating.

If we have a positive feedback system, such as capitalism being now abetted by Globalism, we face the horrendous situation that the greater the progress the faster the spiral of destruction when considering that the world and humans are negative feedback systems.

If we choose to continue with our present Global/capitalistic program we must find a way to dampen the positive feedback system.

Biologists, and probably other sciences, inform us that human conceit, i.e. human ego, distorts our ability to comprehend our self. Egocentricities motivate us into irrational behavior thereby imperiling our survival; the human animal is arrogant and dangerous. Mark Twain was told that “man is the noblest work of God” to which he replied “Now, who found that out?”

Bernard James, author of “The Death of Progress” argues that perhaps a new moral order might be the solution to acquiring the means to avoid self-extinction. He argues that creation is a function of life. It is inventive acts that govern the evolution and survival requirements of human and ecosystems.

I suggest that we must find a new formula for the encouragement of creativity directed at this monumental problem. This is a problem that demands quick action and it seems to me that we cannot wait several generations for this to be accomplished. Today’s adults must recognize the problem and must energetically seek a solution. I think that an invigorated self-actualization through self-learning by adults is required. I am not talking about more schooling. Schooling has left us learning-handicapped. This effort must be self-learning. Adults must begin a concentrated effort toward developing an intellectual life far beyond that which now exists.

My solution is that the general level of intellectual sophistication of the population is necessary if our species is to survive. Do you have any interest in this matter?
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 17:23:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')hy does economic development matter?
If all of the benefits of growth merely make the rich richer and the poor poorer we are not reaching a desirable goal.


The hope is that all the people will get progressively richer and better off as the overall wealth of a society increases.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby coberst » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 04:19:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')hy does economic development matter?
If all of the benefits of growth merely make the rich richer and the poor poorer we are not reaching a desirable goal.


The hope is that all the people will get progressively richer and better off as the overall wealth of a society increases.


Would you make some comment regarding this business of positive feedback and capitalism? Will this positive feedback aspect eventually lead to our destruction?

A negative feedback system seeks out equilibrium; a positive feedback system has no equilibrium and is ever accelerating.

If we have a positive feedback system, such as capitalism being now abetted by Globalism, we face the horrendous situation that the greater the progress the faster the spiral of destruction when considering that the world and humans are negative feedback systems.

If we choose to continue with our present Global/capitalistic program we must find a way to dampen the positive feedback system.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Kingcoal » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 08:53:21

Most all of the scientists, engineers and technicians who have ever lived are alive today thanks to our oil fueled economy. Without the ever expanding economy, people go back to the basics. Investment dries up and technological progress slows to a crawl. Your typical technical worker wouldn't be able to find work in such an economy and would probably give up their trade for something more practical.

The issue is open as to whether we blew it or not. We used our plentiful and cheap energy to build this society in the hope that we would create technology which would allow us to move beyond our reliance on fossil fuels. What we need is a fuel which is as portable and cheap to produce as gasoline or diesel fuel. Any suggestions? Portable electric power sources such as batteries and fuel cells don't seem to be quite there yet.

Hopefully, government won't interfere with the oil market to try to make oil any more artificially cheaper than it already is. Nothing drives invention like necessity and $6/gal gas provides a lot of necessity! Europe is ahead of the US in this regard as they have had expensive fuel for decades. That has resulted in very comprehensive public transit, which is an excellent idea.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby coberst » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 09:36:10

Kingcoal

We have only fooled our self into thinking that oil and coal are cheap. These resources may very well cost us the extinction of the species, which would make them to be very expensive indeed.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 09:47:50

+1 :cool:

fixed:

The hope is that all the Rich people will get progressively richer and better off as the overall wealth of a society [s]increases[/s] declines. :razz:
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 11:38:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')e have only fooled our self into thinking that oil and coal are cheap. These resources may very well cost us the extinction of the species, which would make them to be very expensive indeed.


How will coal and oil cause the extinction of the human species?
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 11:43:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')hy does economic development matter?
If all of the benefits of growth merely make the rich richer and the poor poorer we are not reaching a desirable goal.


The hope is that all the people will get progressively richer and better off as the overall wealth of a society increases.


Would you make some comment regarding this business of positive feedback and capitalism? Will this positive feedback aspect eventually lead to our destruction?

A negative feedback system seeks out equilibrium; a positive feedback system has no equilibrium and is ever accelerating.
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All humans on the earth consume resources, no matter what the nature of the economic system they live within.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby coberst » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 15:06:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')e have only fooled our self into thinking that oil and coal are cheap. These resources may very well cost us the extinction of the species, which would make them to be very expensive indeed.


How will coal and oil cause the extinction of the human species?


Destruction of the ecosystem by pollution leading to massive climate change.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Novus » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 15:51:15

What you speak of is a paradigm shift that will happen. In the world of "Capital Makes Him" people go through life collecting material possessions trying to fill the empty hole that used to be their soul. There is nothing in all the world that can fill the void in the hearts of the empty people of this time. Keeping up with the Jones' has become an all to meaning of life in the modern world. The wake up call is not in 2012 but right now in 2008. Woe to those who filled their lives with empty things and defined their selves in the pursuit of those things.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 16:59:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')e have only fooled our self into thinking that oil and coal are cheap. These resources may very well cost us the extinction of the species, which would make them to be very expensive indeed.


How will coal and oil cause the extinction of the human species?


Destruction of the ecosystem by pollution leading to massive climate change.


Climate change doesn't destroy ecosystems. Climate change that causes global warming will tend to produce shifts in climate zones away from the equator, resulting in the expansion of some and the contraction of other existing ecosystems.

The temperate zone ecosystems of the mid-latitudes, where the vast majority of humans live on earth, will still exist in the future. These favorable climate zones may be shifted somewhat northward, however.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 17:51:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'M')y solution is that the general level of intellectual sophistication of the population is necessary if our species is to survive.

There is no doubt we need some sort of "mental shift" away from the parasitism and death orientation of industrial civilization.

Exactly the opposite is happening though. If we were able to maintain industrial civilization for the next several millenia in its current form. Humans would grow shorter and their brains would shrink. The net result would be some form of hominid with intelligence possibly a little more advanced than beef cattle.

Humans did not develop their large energy intensive brain eating corn chips and Dr. pepper. We are currently de-evolving. Regressing to a sickly and stunted version of our former selves. This problem is getting worse by the day as the world's high quality protein sources become depleted (primarily seafood).

Furthermore, people who understand our ecological predicament and decide to reduce their numbers will be selected out of the gene pool. What remains will be the lowest common denominator. People who breed rapidly and constantly and can thrive on foods like corn syrup and soybean oil.

So there really is no chance of any sort of "great awakening" or "paradigm shift" as things are now. Our problems at this point are not intellectual but biological, ecological. Overshoot.

The survivors who emerge from the burnt out husk of our current civilization will have a chance, finally, to choose a different path.
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Homesteader » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 20:01:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')e have only fooled our self into thinking that oil and coal are cheap. These resources may very well cost us the extinction of the species, which would make them to be very expensive indeed.


How will coal and oil cause the extinction of the human species?


Destruction of the ecosystem by pollution leading to massive climate change.


Climate change doesn't destroy ecosystems. Climate change that causes global warming will tend to produce shifts in climate zones away from the equator, resulting in the expansion of some and the contraction of other existing ecosystems.

The temperate zone ecosystems of the mid-latitudes, where the vast majority of humans live on earth, will still exist in the future. These favorable climate zones may be shifted somewhat northward, however.


Yeah, those potential corn and wheat fields in northern Manitoba and northern Saskatchewan stretch to the horizon.

The climate zones may shift north or south from the equator but the agricultural zones won't.

(wish I knew how to post a picture of the string bogs and piles of glacial till up there)
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Re: Why does economic development matter?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 01:18:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coberst', 'W')e have only fooled our self into thinking that oil and coal are cheap. These resources may very well cost us the extinction of the species, which would make them to be very expensive indeed.


How will coal and oil cause the extinction of the human species?


Destruction of the ecosystem by pollution leading to massive climate change.


Climate change doesn't destroy ecosystems. Climate change that causes global warming will tend to produce shifts in climate zones away from the equator, resulting in the expansion of some and the contraction of other existing ecosystems.

The temperate zone ecosystems of the mid-latitudes, where the vast majority of humans live on earth, will still exist in the future. These favorable climate zones may be shifted somewhat northward, however.


Yeah, those potential corn and wheat fields in northern Manitoba and northern Saskatchewan stretch to the horizon.

The climate zones may shift north or south from the equator but the agricultural zones won't.

(wish I knew how to post a picture of the string bogs and piles of glacial till up there)

You seem unaware that string bogs and unvegetated piles of glacial till are not just something from northern Canada---there were string bogs and glacial till across the northern Great Plains of the United States until the climate changed and warmed at the end of the last ice age. The glaciers extended as far south as central Nebraska then, but when climate warmed the glaciers vanished and the central US became suitable for agriculture.

Guess what.....the climate is changing again.

If it continues to get warmer, vegetation zones (and agriculture zones) are going to shift to higher latitudes. There will be corn and wheat fields in Canada, and probably something like the semi-arid climate of Texas and northern Arizona will spread farther north into the central US Great Plains. :)
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