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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby jupiters_release » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 19:24:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'g')ood luck getting your fellow americans to stand up and appose anything

most are clueless to the fact the federal reserve is a private bank


The irony is Eli himself doesn't understand the nature of the Fed, as $30 billion bailout is literally nothing compared to their regular business model now almost a century old.

Cue in .gov link stating Fed is publicly owned and accounted for. Public relations is too easy. :-D
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby sjn » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 19:42:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')alt, sugar, soda, aged spirits will last indefintely. Honey, red wine, will last many times more than the time you'll live, to name a few.


They don't last if you use them to support your life. Salt is of very little use if you don't use it. And as soon as you use it, it's gone.

I challenge you to try to survive by just looking at your hoard of salt and sugar. And gold is not very nutritious even if you try to eat it.

This little argument illustrate very well how disconnected we have become from the real world and the real conditions of life.

Funny that's what I was thinking about your argument. The idea we need a bigger, faster, more complex economy in order to survive seems quite odd to say the least. We have less excess energy, we are going to have less economic activity no matter how things turn out.

We need get over the idea of economic growth, not speed things up. A stable monetary system would be better to this end, although it may turn out that we are only left with barter.

Conservation of capital goes hand in hand with conservation of everything else, we need the ability to choose where to invest our efforts not be forced to choose unwisely due to monetary temporality.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 19:55:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')alt, sugar, soda, aged spirits will last indefintely. Honey, red wine, will last many times more than the time you'll live, to name a few.


They don't last if you use them to support your life. Salt is of very little use if you don't use it. And as soon as you use it, it's gone.

I challenge you to try to survive by just looking at your hoard of salt and sugar. And gold is not very nutritious even if you try to eat it.

This little argument illustrate very well how disconnected we have become from the real world and the real conditions of life.


Why do I have to survive by just looking at my pile of salt&sugar? I am not on the island remember. I'll make you work for it. And if you don't want to, I can always hire a few guys with baseball bats so they will convince you to. In case you don't know, the word Soldier itself is coming from Salt. Half of all medieval kings lived off sales tax on salt.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby jboogy » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 20:01:33

Bernanke asked, and Paulson agreed; bank and most financial sector profits will continue to be private, losses will be socialized. This is a loud and clear signal to pump and bubble paper assets to their hearts content as any negative fallout will now officially be eaten by the taxpayer.
Who, that has a national voice, is going to scream the warning to their listeners? The talking heads who are completely invested in perpetuating the healthy Wall St. myth, to enrich themselves and their masters?
As many have said here, 90%? have no clue how our financial system works and are gradually soaking in an increasingly warm tub. Even the cries of the ever-expanding pool of have-nots are effectively silenced by those that are winning and own the means of news dissemination.
This is a watershed moment, TPTB have stated publicly that the wealthy will be protected at the expense of everyone else. I wonder how many, totally free-market, advocates will call this socialist spade a spade? They didn't make a peep about Bear Sterns and all the money handed to the banks through the discount window( cash the banks are hoarding), I'm betting they won't even mention this corporate welfare in true terms.
Hyper-inflation here we come.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby mmasters » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 20:45:04

lol I once felt the same way Eli, but I think you're only beginning to understand the problem. You have to understand the fed is a fractional reserve banking cartel organization. The fractional reserve banking system is the real problem and the fed (the central bank) is merely a puppet organization or political cover.

The real depressing part is the banks have been running the show for a few hundred years through the central banking model. They own and control almost everything today. America is a total joke at this point!

If you have the ability to research the topic and read agendas then you can see for yourself where all this is going. It's uglier than peak oil.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 20:55:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '.')..and hardly any use at all for gold...I happen to think that gold actually is a barbaric relic.

Three cheers for barbaric relics!
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby hornofhubris » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 20:59:41

You sure paint a grim picture jboogy and mmasters. Sad part is
I think you are tracking the trajectory. Even worse, this makes
me just another broke dick dog shopping in the dollar store for
trailer trash nutrition and a big cheap candle to heat it over.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Eli » Wed 02 Apr 2008, 23:34:59

mmasters I hear you and I know of what you speak.

It is just that now they are not even pretending anymore. The banks are making it clear that they run the show and that we all are just useless things to be used at their whim.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby mmasters » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 00:11:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'm')masters I hear you and I know of what you speak.

It is just that now they are not even pretending anymore. The banks are making it clear that they run the show and that we all are just useless things to be used at their whim.

If you look at the most viewed or shared videos on video.google's main page it's all geared towards revealing this kind of thing. They want the minority out there smart enough to "tune in" to know who is in charge. All this going to congress business is just a cover so that when the fed takes on more power anyway it's legitimized by the general public because the illusion is there they went through the proper governmental procedures.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Eli » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 00:47:16

The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.


Tommy was right, these leaches have been with us a longtime.
This is all just a dog and pony show, they are going to collapse the whole system after they have transfered the bill to us.

This is their global grab for power, they are going to introduce a world bank system. That has been their goal all a long all humanity is to be enslaved to suit their will.

I will die opposing them.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 03:40:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')ommy was right, these leaches have been with us a long time...

...and they haven't been able to pull off their nefarious plot yet. Why should we think they'll have any more success now than they have in the past 200 years?
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 05:14:55

The Banking System has become an oppressor to whom the American people are now forced to pay tribute.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0173&hl=en
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Cloud9 » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 08:49:42

If you want to screw the bank, file bankruptcy.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 12:20:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f you want to screw the bank, file bankruptcy.


I went with plan B in screwing the banks.

No debt*.




*Not entirely true, I have student loans and a mortgage. Otherwise nothing. No car payments, no furniture payments. Hell, I dont even own a credit card!
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Kaj » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 12:35:21

As the disasterous effects of PO strike and various regimes are deligitimised for promising growth, alongside the neoliberal agenda in general, I predict another grand stirring of the world's masses.

There will be a renewal of the 'war of ideas' which the capitalists falsely claim to have won. People will look for alternative economic models. There will be various uprisings and assets that the banks own today, merely in paper contracts, will be taken from them. We can all be part of such a movement.

I see a lot of fatalism on this site. However, there is no such thing as fate, and power structures are always more fragile than they appear. History always throws up black swans. It is chaotic, unpredictable, and we can do our little bit to steer it.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Iaato » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 12:38:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')ommy was right, these leaches have been with us a longtime. This is all just a dog and pony show, they are going to collapse the whole system after they have transfered the bill to us.

This is their global grab for power, they are going to introduce a world bank system. That has been their goal all a long all humanity is to be enslaved to suit their will.

I will die opposing them.


Here you go, Eli. I thought of you when I found this page of quotes. There are some new ones here that I hadn't seen, including some historical quotes from the Fed that are very revealing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ndrew Jackson: To delegation of bankers discussing the Bank Renewal Bill, 1832
"You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out."

Voltaire (1694-1778)
“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value ---- zero.”

and here's one for MacG
George Bernard Shaw
“You have to choose [as a voter] between trusting to the natural stability of gold and the natural stability of the honesty and intelligence of the members of the Government. And, with due respect for these gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the Capitalist system lasts, to vote for gold.”


http://www.fame.org/NotableQuotes.asp
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Revi » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 12:43:42

The bankers have always controlled things. They will continue to do so. They are probably going to have us all bankrupted before they are done. That won't do them too much good.

The system is stacked against the common man. We're like their horses. They have to give us a little bit of carrot or we'll stop dragging their carts around. The stick won't work alone. Either that or send us all to the glue factory.

They won't get much for us there. The joke's on them.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Eli » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 13:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')ommy was right, these leaches have been with us a long time...

...and they haven't been able to pull off their nefarious plot yet. Why should we think they'll have any more success now than they have in the past 200 years?


Zardoz, they already have accomplished portions of their goal.
Just by existing they have accomplished a major goal, their next step is going to be a world central bank.

That way they will get control of China Russia the whole of the world. What do they care about who makes the laws as long as they control the money? Money is the ultimate power of this world ant those who control it make the rules.

The Fed is made up of a cartel of the largest banks in the US. Here is the contributors to Chris Dodd who is right now leading the Senate banking committee "investigating" the Fed's recent action.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')HRISTOPHER J. DODD: CAREER PROFILE (SINCE 1989)
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7 Goldman Sachs $265,116
8 Greenwich Capital Markets $238,400
9 Travelers Companies $219,000
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19 Lehman Brothers $147,000
20 Hartford Financial Services $132,65



They have inflated the personal debt of US citizens to 3 trillion dollars past historical norms. They have vastly inflated home prices , the next step is deflation.

In the coming chaos they will be saying if only you had given us more power this would not have happened. And at this point I think they will get it.
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 14:51:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')
I will die opposing them.


How are you opposing them?
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Re: The Fed has seized power we must stop them!

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 15:23:19

He is opposing them by bringing this to the attention of others.
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