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Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:13:14

Per CNBC 100.50 -5.12

This is part of a broader commodities sell-off. This despite recent bad news regarding import sources and India's shortfall. Wonder if this is just profit-taking?
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby NeoPeasant » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:24:19

The dropping oil price will quite predictably generate enthusiasm about economic growth, which will raise demand estimates, which will raise the price of oil, which will generate pessimism about economic growth, which will lower demand estimates, which will lower the price of oil.
And so on and so on and so on...
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:36:23

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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:39:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'T')he dropping oil price will quite predictably generate enthusiasm about economic growth, .


The dropping price of oil will be subsumed by bad news from elsewhere in the economies of the world, mainly in the global real estate sector.
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:43:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'J')
Don't forget, a little research will generally reveal that most of these idiots who claim that commodities, and oil in particular, will go bust have a track record that includes cheerleading the 99 Nasdaq and the 05 housing bubble.
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There have been plenty of market bears predicting commodities are going to drop in price, commensurate with a global downturn in demand; Mish Shedlock, for one. He credits peak oil, as being a real phenomenon.
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby firestarter » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:09:28

Commodities dropping across the board because of massive deleveraging. Equities are relatively strong on short squeezing. ST govt debt rallying hard as "safe haven". Nothing bullish here outside of fear and panic,.
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby mefistofeles » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:34:28

Markets always adjust and change so far oil has been stuck in the $100-$101 range. Is it low? Not by not any means considering the fact that we started the year at $90/ a barrel.

Also let's not forget that news agencies need something to talk about.

Even if oil prices are a "bubble" (which is something that I don't subscribe to) bubbles aren't just a slope upwards they drop occaisionally and even move sidewards(this is where I think they are now).

Although I'm not a technical trader I think oil has to trade a certain "floor" for some period of time before establishing a base for further price increases. I really look at the current situation as more of consolidation that will set the stage for the next upward movement.

Another thing is summer. The summer driving season will begin and soon people will begin using A/C in their homes.

Also let's not forget China. The Chinese refiners are actually exporting more oil now because of prices controls. When fuel prices controls are lifted in China the oil markets are probably in for a violent shock as China begins to import higher levels of crude and finished product.

Although I'm not an oil analyst I think we are setting the stage for another fast and violent upward run in prices. Complaceny is the one factor that will do more than anything to create the next upward run.

As people are lulled into a false sense of stability I think the drive for conservation/hoarding will wain and this false security will be prevade the market. This is what really sets the stage for high oil prices: complacency.
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 18:29:39

If I remember correctly the Vanguard Precious Metals and Mining fund is up 880% in the last 10 years and around 400% in the last 5 years. It would be hard to imagine much continued growth on top of that without first taking a good breather or having at least a modest retreat.

One thing I have to wonder about is how much of the runup in commodities prices is due to all the extra money that seemed to exist thanks to the housing bubble. As that funny-money disappears will it deflate commodities?

I guess time will tell...

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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 18:34:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '
')Also let's not forget China. The Chinese refiners are actually exporting more oil now because of prices controls. When fuel prices controls are lifted in China the oil markets are probably in for a violent shock as China begins to import higher levels of crude and finished product.



Why will they lift price controls?
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 18:35:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'I')f I remember correctly the Vanguard Precious Metals and Mining fund is up 880% in the last 10 years and around 400% in the last 5 years. It would be hard to imagine much continued growth on top of that without first taking a good breather or having at least a modest retreat.

One thing I have to wonder about is how much of the runup in commodities prices is due to all the extra money that seemed to exist thanks to the housing bubble. As that funny-money disappears will it deflate commodities?

I guess time will tell...

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My thinking exactly.
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby Gerben » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 19:40:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'W')hy will they lift price controls?

The Chinese refiners are losing money on all the fuel they sell in China. That's why they are exporting fuel. In the meantine thousands of Chinese drivers are running out of fuel. The Chinese will have to act. They might execute the board of the oil companies, give them a few billion $ (they have plenty), let the value of the RenMinBi rise, raise the sales prices of fuel (lift price controls), or a combination of the beforementioned.
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Re: Oil prices take a dive, nearing two digit territory...

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:00:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', 'T')he dropping oil price will quite predictably generate enthusiasm about economic growth, which will raise demand estimates, which will raise the price of oil, which will generate pessimism about economic growth, which will lower demand estimates, which will lower the price of oil.
And so on and so on and so on...


Hence undulating plateau.
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