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A good reason why oil prices won't drop too much

Unread postby Denny » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 21:21:38

Thsi is in Business Week's next issue. Why Exxon won't produce more

In a nutsheel, even at today's record prices, Exxon doesn't see the point in plunging that much of its massive cash flow into new exploration. Liley, its competitors think the same way.


"Texas-based Exxon is the largest publicly traded company in the energy business. In fact, it's the most profitable company in the history of capitalism, earning a record $40.6 billion on sales of $404 billion last year. Yet even with prices at the pump near all-time highs, Exxon isn't planning on producing any more oil four years from now than it did last year. That means the company's oil output won't even keep pace with its own projections of worldwide oil demand growth of 1.2% a year.
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"We don't start with a volume target and then work backwards," Tillerson explained. Instead, he said, his team examines the available investment opportunities, figures out what prices they'll likely get for that output down the road, and places their bets accordingly. "It really goes back to what is an acceptable investment return for us," Tillerson said. In other words, producing incremental barrels just to ease prices for consumers is not part of the company's calculations."
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Re: A good reason why oil prices won't drop too much

Unread postby cube » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 01:30:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"Texas-based Exxon is the largest publicly traded company in the energy business."
Maybe the largest "publicly traded company" but certainly NOT the largest oil company in the world. That honor goes to Saudi Aramco
The biggest players by far are nationalized oil companies NOT private companies. Exxon, Shell, Chevron, etc... they're nothing but small potato's.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')In fact, it's the most profitable company in the history of capitalism, earning a record $40.6 billion on sales of $404 billion last year.
WRONG
The most profitable business venture "in the history of capitalism" would either be slavery, sex, or maybe the spice trade. For example: Back in the days when English sea pirates were robbing Spanish Galleons filled with gold and silver from the Americas...a single ship could carry the equivalent of 10% of a nation's national budget. To put this in perspective imagine a single ship today holding $200 Billion dollars worth of cargo. :P

my 2 cents...
I think this article is being "dishonest". While it is not "point blank lying" it certainly is not telling the whole story. The author is trying to create the illusion that private oil companies are in control and are therefore gouging the public. NOT true. I've tried to explain this several times to people IRL:

Exxon really is NOT that big.

People just look at me really weird whenever I say that. *sigh* Being a PO believer means living a life of being misunderstood. :roll:
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Re: A good reason why oil prices won't drop too much

Unread postby LoneSnark » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 10:16:24

Slavery was a competitive enterprise consisting of many competing firms. While the market price of all slaves at the height of U.S. slavery was many times annual GDP, the situation is no different from installed steam engines at their height, industrial motors at their height, motorized vehicles, or installed computer infrastructure today.
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Re: A good reason why oil prices won't drop too much

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 10:45:54

Yes the reason is very simple - it now costs private companies more to find oil than the current price. Yes there are some exceptions, mostly due to luck. Speaking of luck, isn't that what these big oil companies are hoping for when they spend a $1 billion on just one well? Even then, sometimes anomolies occur and costs keep escalating out of sight.

Maybe someone could make a survey of all the money private companies have spent the last five years and compare it to the projected returns. The reason we are not noticing returns are dropping is because we are looking at the results from projects five to ten years earlier, and not looking very closely at the expected returns we will get on the investment made in the last five years. Since no one is keeping track of this, declining or even negative return on investment is going mostly unnoticed.
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Re: A good reason why oil prices won't drop too much

Unread postby Starvid » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 18:13:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n other words, producing incremental barrels just to ease prices for consumers is not part of the company's calculations
And why the hell would it be that? It's a company, not a charity.

And the article is retarded.
Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
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