[pup55]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here will always be some jackass willing to pander to the crowd

[UncoveringTruths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he protesters shouted slogans against Cardinal Norberto Rivera, who they claim has become involved in politics, something clerics are forbidden to do by Mexican law. Avila estimated the number of protesters at 150.

Mexican news media said the protesters complained that the church rang its bells for an unusually long time, disrupting a Lopez Obrador rally in the plaza known as the Zocalo.

Lopez Obrador's followers several times have interrupted services at the cathedral, chanting slogans against electoral fraud they believe cost their candidate the July 2006 presidential elections.

Since that loss, Lopez Obrador has declared a government-in-resistance and encouraged followers not to recognize President Felipe Calderon. Electoral officials upheld Calderon's slim victory after more than two months of investigating allegations of fraud.

At the Sunday rally of under 100,000 — the smallest crowd Lopez Obrador has drawn in a series of mass meetings in the Zocalo since 2006 — he called on Mexico's government to invest US$36 billion (€24.6 billion) to combat oil declining reserves.

He also asked his followers to resist any possible privatization of the oil industry.

[wisconsin_cur]

So I am listening to the radio, waiting for the moment I am allowed to wake up the bride and go cut some wood. One commentator was talking about the immigration issue and repeated what I had heard elsewhere,

A) Mexico depends upon the sale of oil to finance its government, including social services for its people.

B) Exports will be dropping off quickly, ending around 2016.

Do these facts effect your preparations? If so, how?

I'm in Wisconsin, there are some illegal immigrants working in some of the larger dairies. I have given some thought to the fact that I might need to help a few stranglers get out of dodge if public opinion turns rapidly against them.

As someone a long way from the border I found this map helpful. Some of the most expensive parts of San Diego, Ca are within a 10 mile hike of the Mexican border. Where will those Tijuana masses go when their government fails to provide for them?



Other than that, I bought some extra popcorn.

[Fishman]

Yes, it affects my preparation, I'll support the Minutemen.

[whatpeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')
As someone a long way from the border I found this map helpful. Some of the most expensive parts of San Diego, Ca are within a 10 mile hike of the Mexican border. Where will those Tijuana masses go when their government fails to provide for them?

[Mechler]

Chula Vista (just south of SD) is like 90% Latin American already. The migration started years ago, and these circumstances will only accelerate it.

Although, since Chula Vista is only building 300 houses year versus 3500 a couple of years ago, there aren't as many jobs for those coming across the border.

Regardless, I think something will have to be done to stem the flow.

[Andrew_S]

What effect do you think a serious economic recession in the U.S.A. would have on Mexican immigration?

[frankthetank]

Wisconsin-

Not many around here and if they do come in mass, i'd recommend they turn around. We've had a lot of Hmong here since the early 80's and most people that i know don't care for them. They don't bother me, but neither do gays, blacks, asians, etc.

Its sad that all their oil money never really trickled down too far. I've been to Tijuana and i've also been to Cancun. Cancun is awesome, but will become a ghost town when air travel dries up. Tijuana is probably more realistic of what the future holds.

Mexico City in the not too distant future could be a sign of things to come for places like Minneapolis and Chicago!!! Just something to think about.

[gn0s1s]

[quote="frankthetank"]
Mexico City in the not too distant future could be a sign of things to come for places like Minneapolis and Chicago!!! Just something to think about.[/quote]

Alright, you just got my attention.

Can you please elaborate? (being quite honest, in a curious and non-angry way)

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')isconsin-

Not many around here and if they do come in mass, i'd recommend they turn around. We've had a lot of Hmong here since the early 80's and most people that i know don't care for them. They don't bother me, but neither do gays, blacks, asians, etc.

Its sad that all their oil money never really trickled down too far. I've been to Tijuana and i've also been to Cancun. Cancun is awesome, but will become a ghost town when air travel dries up. Tijuana is probably more realistic of what the future holds.

Mexico City in the not too distant future could be a sign of things to come for places like Minneapolis and Chicago!!! Just something to think about.

[DantesPeak]

Some rapid recalculation of Mexico's energy situation is in order (export-land model).

It was only two years and a few months ago I posted a semi-secret report here at PO.com on the expected rapid decline of the Cantarell oil field.

Meanwhile Mexico's energy demands continue to rapidly grow, and at the same time, Mexico has been beset by a low level insurgency targeting oil infrastructure. In addition, there was a spectacular fire at a main Mexican refinery in mid-2007 causing Mexico to seek additional oil product imports.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Mexico Anticipates Petroleum Trade Deficit
Posted on: Monday, 10 March 2008, 06:00 CDT

Text of report by respected Mexican business newspaper El Financiero website on 6 March


The trade balance in Mexican petroleum products could stop being a surplus and turn into a deficit in the medium term.

Last year Mexico recorded foreign currency revenue from exports of petroleum products totalling 42,885,844,000 dollars, and imports amounted to 25,704,844,000 dolalrs, so the surplus was 17.181 billion dolalrs.

Nevertheless, also taking into account foreign purchases of petrochemical products and natural gas made by private companies - not counted by Mexican Petroleum [Pemex] -imports totalled around 34 billion dolars, so the real surplus is under 7 billion dollars.

In the opinion of the Energy Secretariat (Sener), next year that surplus -which had been maintained for years -could disappear, because of rising demand for natural gas, liquefied petroleum gas, diesel, and gasoline.

When asked about this matter, Senate Energy Committee Chairman Francisco Labastida Ochoa said that he thought that the deficit scenario will indeed happen, but not until the end of this six-year period.

He added that the country cannot continue transferring new refineries abroad by means of Pemex's shortage of petroleum products. With what has been spent, we could have built the refineries needed to add more value to our petroleum and we could have stopped the foreign companies from appropriating this resource that belongs to the Mexican people.

[Gandalf_the_White]

This is why we need to get that Super Highway built, the amero flowing and the NU up and running, so then Tu casa es Mi casa. They can be a net importer of oil they export to the US.

[Kaj]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 53,00.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')uesday marks 70 years since the country nationalized its oil fields that were drilled by U.S. and British companies, but Calderon wants to bring back foreign oil companies by allowing some private investment in the industry.

[billp]

Creo que es la verdad.

:-)

click on smile.

best

[tick66]

I do not know if i believe that but both my assembly language and spanish are rusty.
lol

[billp]

How about 8051 forth?

Wierd stuff?

[manu]

Do you think that Mexico will invade the U.S. or just put up a fence to keep most of the lemmings out?

[Kaj]

I think both. The Mexicans would be unwise to keep their rear unguarded from any kind of mammal invasion while the bulk of their force is stationed in New York and Washington.

[Kaj]

Okay, so the Times article title is hyperbole, I should have rephrased it.

But what would be the effect of privatising Mexico's Oil be? At least half of the country already detest the government's neoliberalism; and it seems the people are proud of owning their oil.

75% of the world's oil supply is now in the hands of nations and not companies. It's such a critical resource that the trend is increasingly to protect it from plunder.

[manu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaj', 'I') think both. The Mexicans would be unwise to keep their rear unguarded from any kind of mammal invasion while the bulk of their force is stationed in New York and Washington.