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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby overlever » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 05:56:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'I')'m the exact oposite of the OP, I think it's exciting that life that is so uncertain. Life would be boring if we all lived to be 80. I could die tomorrow or I could live another 50 years or I could die sometime in between... I think that's exciting. Life is like watching a movie where you can't guess what happens next. Life would be so dull if everything were guranteed.

Exactly. This is a challenging aqnd exciting future! Of course, there will be problems along the way. My wife suddenly developed serious rheumatoid arthritis two years ago. Now she cannot function without costly meds. This poses a serious problem, but all the more reason to be well prepared.

Of course, being well prepared can take many forms. Some go into farming, some into hunting. I have just one rule: I will do anything to keep myself and my wife alive. Theft, murder, indecent exposure, cannibalism, jaywalking, ... anything. Survive first, then start thinking about quality of life.

Not that we would cling to life when we don't value living it anymore, of course.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Narz » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 07:38:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', 'T')oday we went to see 10,000 B.C. The whole time I kept thinking of this and how that's where we'll all be within a decade or two.

Sorry, I had to smirk. Shit's gonna be rough but it ain't gonna be like that.

Good luck though. I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Narz » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 07:40:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PopeGideon', 'I') know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I could think was, "natural selection."


I have a different idea about this posting.

I suspect one of the regular members here is having some fun. This guy can't be for real. His story is just too ridiculous and pathetic to be true.

It does seem that way. It does seem deliberately overdramatic & humorously written.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Narz » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 07:44:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o could almost anyone with a yard. The 20 acres isn't much of a benefit for survival, it is for esthetic enjoyment (being somewhat far from the noisy neighbors).

?? If you put your mind to it you could easily feed your family four or five times over on that much land. You live in Texas right? The growing season there is pretty much year round, no?

Granted it would take a few K to get set up (maybe over 10K to get set up well) but 20 acres is no joke, you've got it better than 99.99% of humanity.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Narz » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 07:46:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')oefulOne, I've been thinking about this today and I have a couple more suggestions for you.

First, you may want to think about changing your username. You just joined, so just re-join with another name.

You need something a little tougher sounding than WoefulOne. To get you started, I thought I would suggest a few:

PiedSniper
SuburbanNinja
CannibalVector
TheSpoiler
JohnPain
GrimCreeper
KungFuGrip
DoomWithAView

You get the idea. The best approach is to pretend you are creating a pro wrestler persona, and proceed accordingly.

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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 10:12:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '[')You live in Texas right? The growing season there is pretty much year round, no?


What do you think I could grow here, without irrigation, without other people to help? Just curious, since you seem to know so much about it. What can I grow on about 7 acres of grass, the rest trees and brush, steep slopes, with two seasonal flooding arroyos running through?


Oh, and where do I get over 10K? 8O
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 10:15:34

I'm puzzled. How do you "suddenly develop serious RA?"
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 12:33:08

Alright, I took a look at the OP, and WoefulOne you have just written some crazy things. It IS hard to swallow. I will highlight a few below.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', 'I') am so scared over this. I've broke down into tears.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve been so depressed as of late knowing that my life will be over shortly.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y wife's family and my own all depend on meds, except her. This is what scares me the most, she'll be alone!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an't enjoy my hobbys any longer, now that I know in a few short years it's all going to be ripped from me.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he realization that my fate is now sealed...Our dreams ruined.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he point of this thread is this. Are we really doomed, is there really no hope for us at all!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')oday we went to see 10,000 B.C. The whole time I kept thinking of this and how that's where we'll all be within a decade or two...I had to leave to go to the restroom. I had a huge panic attack. Someone in the rest room though I was having a Heart Attack.

I wasn't planning to see 10,000 B.C., but I think I will now.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:35:22

HHHmm... You know what? The OP still sounds like little bits of different posts put together... as though someone is trying an experiment to see what kind of responses the post will get.
First, his wife is the only person who Isn't on meds, then she was suddenly diagnosed with "serious RA" two years ago and needs expensive meds? OOOpppsss! somebody blew it!
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:56:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'H')HHmm... You know what? The OP still sounds like little bits of different posts put together... as though someone is trying an experiment to see what kind of responses the post will get.
First, his wife is the only person who Isn't on meds, then she was suddenly diagnosed with "serious RA" two years ago and needs expensive meds? OOOpppsss! somebody blew it!


Wait, I'll bet this is one of those "forum seeding" things. It's just a machine screwing with us.

I think that after I posted the silly list of guns, he said he had TWO AR-15s.

Not too many doomers have TWO AR-15s (I know, I know, some do, and some have more).

WoefulOne, or HAL, you've got some 'splaining to do.

Please share a humorous anecdote from high school to show you are a real human. And don't tell me they used to call you the Hamburglar. That one's already been used.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 16:03:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')ait, I'll bet this is one of those "forum seeding" things. It's just a machine screwing with us.


It's likely probing for weaknesses. I saw this work once -

WoefulOne, compute the truthfulness of the following statement

This statement is false.

That should keep it busy for a while.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 16:51:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')ait, I'll bet this is one of those "forum seeding" things. It's just a machine screwing with us.


It's likely probing for weaknesses. I saw this work once -

WoefulOne, compute the truthfulness of the following statement

This statement is false.

That should keep it busy for a while.


WoefulOne, if it is opposite day, and you are feeling gloomy, would you want to double or half your anti-depressant dosage?
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby overlever » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 17:25:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')'m puzzled. How do you "suddenly develop serious RA?"
If you have someone in your family that has this, you would know. RA can pop up at any time in one's life, not just in old age. My wife was 28 when it manifested itself. Juvenile RA is also a lot more common than I would have guessed.

But as for sudden: she was fine, then started getting extremely tired. Three weeks later she couldn't dress herself, nor go to the toilet by herself from excruciating pain. Sad, but it happens. It's mitigated by MTX, Plaquenil, Celebrex, and in the near future biologicals such as Enbrel.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby overlever » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 17:27:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'F')irst, his wife is the only person who Isn't on meds, then she was suddenly diagnosed with "serious RA" two years ago and needs expensive meds? OOOpppsss! somebody blew it!
Then apparently I must be in on it too, as it is actually my wife which has RA, not the original poster of this topic.

Damn split personalities.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 21:46:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('overlever', 'I')f you have someone in your family that has this, you would know. RA can pop up at any time in one's life, not just in old age. My wife was 28 when it manifested itself. Juvenile RA is also a lot more common than I would have guessed.


Actually, I was diagnosed three years ago as having untreatable RA. Based on the xrays and other physical testing, the doctors (reg & specialists) said that I had had it for over 20 years, based on the damage and bone fusing. There was nothing sudden about it.
I can not take meds for it because they don't interact well with my heart medicine.
As for mixing you up with Woe, that is my mistake. I'm sorry.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Narz » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 23:58:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '[')You live in Texas right? The growing season there is pretty much year round, no?


What do you think I could grow here, without irrigation,

You don't have irrigation?

Or even a rain catchment system?

Why even bother having land then?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')without other people to help?

You can't motivate people to help you?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ') Just curious, since you seem to know so much about it. What can I grow on about 7 acres of grass, the rest trees and brush, steep slopes, with two seasonal flooding arroyos running through?

Probably alot. Don't ask me, ask someone with more experience. Seems like that seasonal water could be channeled to good use.

At the very least if, for some reason, you can't grow any fruit, vegetables, nuts or grains (which I'm skeptical of) you could at least raise some goats & chickens.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'O')h, and where do I get over 10K? 8O
The government? 9-5? Selling stuff on eBay? Donations from peak oil members? If I knew I wouldn't be in debt.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 10:25:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', ' ')If I knew I wouldn't be in debt.



Okey dokey. :)
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby overlever » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 11:17:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'A')ctually, I was diagnosed three years ago as having untreatable RA. Based on the xrays and other physical testing, the doctors (reg & specialists) said that I had had it for over 20 years, based on the damage and bone fusing. There was nothing sudden about it.
That's the thing: it can differ. My wife still has no detectable damage because it happened so quickly, and they started her on the proper medication right away. But then again: what use is a perfectly healthy skeletal system when you are often too tired and weak to use it. :cry:
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 13:52:31

Anyway, just to make some kind of point to the acreage issue...having some land chosen for esthetic reasons does not grant a person magical survival advantage. It's not the land alone, it's the quality of the land and (mostly)what you do with it.

You can do this if you have a yard:


http://pathtofreedom.com/
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 14:07:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('overlever', 'T')hat's the thing: it can differ. My wife still has no detectable damage because it happened so quickly, and they started her on the proper medication right away. But then again: what use is a perfectly healthy skeletal system when you are often too tired and weak to use it. :cry:


If you have children (I can't remember), there is a simple blood test for the gene that indicates RA. I had both sons tested; one has it, the other does not. The one who does not, called me with his results and informed me that the doctor told him there is a 25% suicide rate among people with RA.
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