[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') bought that land YEARS before I knew anything about peak oil.
So it has nothing much to do with disaster preparedness.

[Ludi]

Why? What good does it do?

[BigTex]

Yes, ahem, just a simple self defense array:

one .357 magnum, plus 1,000 rounds

one .38 hammerless snub nose, plus 1,000 rounds

one 9 mm, plus 1,000 rounds, 10 extra magazines, including 4 50 round extended clips

one AR-15 type rifle, H-BAR, plus 10,000 rounds of ammunition and 10 extra clips

one Samurai-type sword

one double edged survival knife

one Rambo-style survival knife, with kit in handle

one compound bow, with Dukes of Hazzard exploding arrows.....

***

I'm just saying that maybe some of this stuff can wait until later.

For me, one .357 is sufficient for peace of mind.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hy? What good does it do?

[Ludi]

Nonsense, steam-cannon. I am as far from being able to survive in the event of collapse as nearly anyone, except for my modest and possibly inadequate disaster preparedness. Thanks for the kudos but I think you may have a wildly inflated sense of my survivability. I am every bit as dependent on the system as anyone else, aside from having some food and water stored. I still have to work for my income, I still buy my needs at the store like anyone else. As do all my farming and ranching neighbors, even those who make their living farming and ranching, which I don't.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'N')onsense, steam-cannon. I am as far from being able to survive in
the event of collapse as nearly anyone, except for my modest and
possibly inadequate disaster preparedness. Thanks for the kudos but
I think you may have a wildly inflated sense of my survivability. I am
every bit as dependent on the system as anyone else, aside
from having some food and water stored. I still have to work for my
income, I still buy my needs at the store like anyone else. As do all my
farming and ranching neighbors, even those who make their living
farming and ranching, which I don't.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'Y')ou know what, he used the term "die off". Most rookie doomers don't know about die off.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'C')ertainly no harm in it if you keep it modest.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'O')h man, that was funny!! Excellent one steam cannon!!

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', 'I') first went to this site www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

I am so scared over this. I've broke down into tears...

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'y')ou could grow some of your food during the
year.

[WoefulOne]

I value some of the replies on here. I've read them all, the only reason why I said die off, was because I had came upon that site as well, but chose not to read it.

I do feel a little better about some things now.

I found Peak Oil Debunked and while it's some fresh air from LATOC.
I wonder if these guys are in denial??
It is true that the future isn't written.

Oh, and yes my wife's family does depend.
Her sister has MS
Mother has bad depression and OCD issues.
Father needs BP meds

MY family
Mother needs insulin
Step father needs BP meds
my youger sister needs inhalers and breathing machine

That's our whole family, right there. I've got cousins and things who don't need meds but they are far away, same for her. The rest of my family live in upstate New York. Hers in Colorado.
We live in Texas. The U.S. is prjected to take the worst of it all.
It's like a bad dream that won't go away.
I feel that if we acted we could avoid complete chaos. We will see alot of hardships.

As for me personally....I have Atrial fibrillation, Mitral Valve Prolapse.
I take an abeta blocker called Metroprolol. 50 mg twice daily.
Keeps my heart from beating too fast. Without the meds my heart will go up to 186-210 bpm.

Like I've said I am very worried, I know we will all die some day, but I was hoping to grow old with my wife and to spend our days/evenings having fun together.

It'll take some time to readjust.

Also can someone tell me I are confused. If say all liquids peaked in 2010, followed by shortages and what not, yet it's projected that demand will grow to 115 mbd in 2020, I think. How can that be if in 2010 oil shortages occur, then an economy cannot gorw any further, right? ANd in turn prices would drop because if that, not right away of course, but they would drop. I want to hold hope that we as a race can overcome this. I wish we could all be friends with the world. One thing I despise about Bush is the fact we have more enemies and less friends because of him. And he threw us back inot debt. At least Clinton got us out of it.

As for guns I've got plenty of those. 20 in total. in cluding two AR-15's. Plus I can reload somewhat. I hope that I will never have to use those to survive and collect food or anything like that. I hope my wife will be fine. I hope Matt Savinar is wrong. Upon futher reviewing of his site, I wonder if he uses it to sell things from his store? My head is hurting I've been up all morning researching things. And it doesn't look so bleak. I will hold out hope.
As of now I am in debt of about 23,000 I won't be able to pay that off anytime soon. I don't have a degree in anything and I work in a electronics store making about 10 n hour. While looking at getting into school to have a life of better quality. My wife and I don't do much. We're fine that way. We don't go to many places and we at least live very close to our jobs. Not in walking distance but less than 5 miles, so yeah walking distance.......I'm just rambling.

[anarky321]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', 'I') was hoping to grow old with my wife and to spend our days/evenings having fun together.

[WoefulOne]

I would never leave my wife. EVER. Perhaps to you having a good, happy, and fulfilled life is "boring" It's not for me. Peace and good times are all I want. So what if I want to grow old with my wife.
WIthout Modern Medicine I would have died when I was born. Not as a young child.

And what's wrong with being a Histoian. Actually I wanted to become a Military Historian. I am a Amatuer Military Historian, but I wanted the degree so I could do it and get payed for it. A dream.

Maybe you see life as a pice of shit, I don't. If you don't value life as so. Then you can fix that problem, and you know how to.

The fun I refer to is just relaxing in the great outdoors. Where it's quiet and peaceful.
When I go I won't remembered as the sick guy by any means, I'll be remembered for my qualitys in life. I value life, but I value my wifes even more. She is what is important to me above all else. The only real reason why I fear an early death. I want to be around to protect her for as long as I can.

[anarky321]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', 'P')eace and good times are all I want.

[WoefulOne]

I won't ever say never. I know that we could very well be faced with this. But also it is important to note that is Oil wars get out of hand, well, we will most def. see a nuclear showdown. One that could lead to a man made ice age.

WHo knows what will actually take place 10 years from now. I've been researching some Alt. enerhy blogs and techs. Some of this stuff does look promising. Some new break thorughs of recent.

Also I liked Biodiesels, while not something for long term, it will provide a strudy bridge for short, I think. Let us hope.

EDIT: What is wropng with Hope?? What is wrong with clinging to what you know that is safe?? You are misrable because of that, if this is true you will be very misrable if the "powerdown" does in fact occur soon.

[anarky321]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', 'B')ut also it is important to note that if Oil wars get out of hand, well, we will most def. see a nuclear showdown. One that could lead to a man made ice age.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anarky321', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', 'I') was hoping to grow old with my wife and to spend our days/evenings having fun together.

[anarky321]

its a fallacy to believe that you HAVE to experience everything in order to understand it well

you know that falling into a stream of lava is a horrible experience, yet you've never experienced it; some things you can infer from observation and questioning alone, not everything has to be tested out by you

ps.: i can already see this is going to end up as another cannibalism thread....

[Ludi]

Whatever you say, Mr. Wisdom.