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Unread postby WoefulOne » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 02:43:27

Hi I am new to the "peak Oil" thing.

I first went to this site www.lifeafterthecrash.net

I am so scared over this. I've broke down into tears. Fears over my wife. I depend on Heart meds to get through the day. I am so worried over my wife and what will happen to her, when I am gone. We are young early 20's Just starting out somewhat. I've been so depressed as of late knowing that my life will be over shortly. As there won't be any more medicine for me to take. And without it I'll go into cardiac arrest. I'm worried about my mother and younger sister they are having rough times with money. And it's only getting tighter. My wife's family and my own all depend on meds, except her. This is what scares me the most, she'll be alone!

I can't concentrate at work, can't sleep. Can't enjoy my hobbys any longer, now that I know in a few short years it's all going to be ripped from me. The realization that my fate is now sealed. I'll never become a Historian, my wife will never become a Vet. Like she has dreamed of all her life. Our dreams ruined. Although I haven't told her about this, and I won't I want her to be happy. Until it happens. I wish I was ignorant of this as well. But I am not.
However my depression has caused my wife to be somewhat depressed, as she is worried about me.

The point of this thread is this. Are we really doomed, is there really no hope for us at all!!

Will I really be some of the first to die off because there won't be any meds any longer?

Today we went to see 10,000 B.C. The whole time I kept thinking of this and how that's where we'll all be within a decade or two.
Will my wife be around for that? I had to leave to go to the restroom. I had a huge panic attack. Someone in the rest room though I was having a Heart Attack.

Anyways if there really is nothing, nothing that can be done. over this, then why try to raise awareness? I have looked at the Peak Oil member pics, and though why do any of you have new-borns. And look so happy?

This site seemed like a good place to tell my woes as I've no one else to tell them to. Even now I am emotional because.....well because this is the first time to get it out. Let it out. I've been holding it in for a while. Do we really face "Mad Max" in the future?

I am sorry for being so gloom, but I cannot help it, just the way I feel. I love my wife.......I worry.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ayoob » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 02:58:53

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!!!
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby anarky321 » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 05:42:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', '
')Today we went to see 10,000 B.C. The whole time I kept thinking of this and how that's where we'll all be within a decade or two.
Will my wife be around for that?


yes giant turkeys will roam the land and mammoths will be used to build the pyramids....better stock up on arrows

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WoefulOne', '
') I've been so depressed as of late knowing that my life will be over shortly. As there won't be any more medicine for me to take. And without it I'll go into cardiac arrest. My wife's family and my own all depend on meds, except her.


your telling me you married a woman who's WHOLE FAMILY depends on meds to survive? do the words "survival of the fittest" mean anything to you?

well the only thing i can really suggest is enjoy every day because your all going to die
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby kpeavey » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 07:39:36

from a movie a few years back$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye.


At this stage it may be wise for you to keep what you know to yourself. There is a vast amount of information to absorb. You need to take it in, let it work its way around your brain, develop your own opinion.

If you react strongly, the people you know may easily, and perhaps correctly, conclude that you have flipped your lid. This would be an undesirable event.

from another movie
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he future is not yet written


There are forces at work that can go in any direction. Will the government do what it thinks it must in order to preserve our way of life as long as possible? Will conservation and alternative energy delay hardship? Will a recession slow things down, buying time for civilization to adapt to a lower energy paradigm? Will a flu pandemic destroy demand? Will undeveloped countries erupt in chaos, taking the hit that will enable the rest of the world to continue another few years? Will science come up with something?

You have an understanding of a subject that most people in the world have no clue about whatsoever. This gives you the opportunity to change your ways immediately, before trouble starts, offering an advantage most others won't have.

While many of the people on this site accept Peak Oil as more of a projection rather than a theory, there are differing levels of expectation.

Cornucopians lean toward the notion that the wealth, knowledge and vast resources available to humanity will serve to buffer the situation in a manner that an energy paradigm shift can be made without chaos and collapse.

Moderates maintain that that troubles will present, and there will be some hardships to be sure, but action can and will be taken, as they always have been to correct for the situation and steer the planet back on a track without disaster taking hold.

Doomers also come in various degrees. Some would predict financial collapse sending the world into a 2nd Great Depression. Some see countries battling it out for the remaining reserves. Some see a slow wimpering end to civilization with pockets of survivors left to rebuild.

last movie quote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')ver a long enough time frame, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.


We all lose our childhood perception of immortality at some point. Dwelling on it serves no purpose. Once you get past that, you are free to develop a mindset that best suits your needs.

What would you rather do:

A) Live for the day, make it count, share your Passion with the one you love, relax, enjoy every moment, for every day could be your last

or

B) fuss, fret, and give yourself an ulcer over that which you can't control, spending so much time and effort worrying that you don't take the time to smell the flowers and listen to the birds

One path will set you free.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
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twenty centuries of stony sleep were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, and what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby PopeGideon » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 07:49:12

I know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I could think was, "natural selection."
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ainan » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 08:49:17

Sorry if some of the people here have made cruel comments WoefulOne, everyone appears to go through the whole doom and gloom phase such as yourself before they enter a more proactive stage. The energy problems we face today will be a long drawn out process, you wont live anything like in 10,000 B.C.(I assume its about that era)

I recommend the planning for the future forum to see what can be done for you and yours. As for your medical condition, many generic drugs can be accessed through unorthodox channels as a 'backup', although don't take them unless you need to. You may also be able to find a suitable natural alternative which you could grow, may not be as good as an artificial one but worth looking. If you live in a European country, I'm sure you're aware national health care will be the last thing governments will scrap.

Like everyone here says, you will die at some point, might as well make sure your wife is well prepared, preferably in a community of people who knew you. Best of luck and remember, DON'T PANIC!
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby anarky321 » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 09:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PopeGideon', 'I') know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I could think was, "natural selection."


nature has alot of house-cleaning to do
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ayame » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 10:10:07

Almost everyone in the developed world depends upon the survival machine of just in time food delivery and supermarkets so it won't be just people on meds in trouble. I currently live everyday to the full because for most of us alive now there isn't going to be a future.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby sittinguy » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 12:09:16

I felt a little like that in the beginning,,, In short,, get tough and do something about it... PREPARE.

Learning about PO ruined my hobby for over a year, but in that time I got out of dept almost got the house paid for, and have 6 months of foood for my family. Oh yea, and a ShIt LoaD of guns and ammo.

Take the blue pill, the red ones suck :)
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 12:53:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'D')oomers also come in various degrees...


Howdy WoefulOne, I'm one of the doomers here! :-D

Think of it this way, lets say our economy collapses. Well, that kind
of thing has happened before, like when the Soviet Union collapsed.
There were disruptions and some people made out much better
then others. In the soviet union there were many other currencies
that could get the pharmacist to open up their doors. Gold, silver,
a gallon of peanut butter, vodka...

Also disruptions were not for years but only weeks - months at a
time. So probably if you bulk order your medication a few months in
advance, you're unlikely to experience complete disruptions for
quite some time. The entire medical system is probably not going to
collapse overnight and many things will likely be available at the
right price.

Another thought from a doomer perspective, we all die. So even if
you do die, if you have things set up so your kids/wife are taken
care of a little, then that can be your legacy. When Cuba's oil supply
collapsed so did their industrial farming system. So there were food
disruptions and Cubans were moved by the government out into
the country to farm. And of course Cubans with access to supplies
and alternative currencies had it easier.

So anyway, if there were no disruptions metals like silver are being
mined out and made unrecoverable being used in industrial
processes like plastics manufacture. So even if there were no food
disruptions, metal aren't a bad bet. Durable goods are also not a
bad bet. Food prices are going up and so are the prices for other
things as the dollar keeps loosing value.

So the things you would do to prepare for peak oil consequences
and climate change consequences, would benefit your family even if
these events didn't play out. And even if you did die a little earlier
then you were planning, you would still have done your family a service.

Closing the collapse gap
"USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US"
http://www.energybulletin.net/23259.html

How Cuba Survived Peak Oil
"This need to bring agriculture into the city began with the fall of
the Soviet Union and the loss of more than 50 percent of Cuba's oil
imports, much of its food and 85 percent of its trade economy.
Transportation halted, people went hungry and the average Cuban
lost 30 pounds."
http://tinyurl.com/32hol3

Seriously, it's understandable that you're very worried. There are a
lot of difficult decisions people have to make in life and a lot of hard
to swallow truths. Here's to washing down hard truths...

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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 12:57:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PopeGideon', 'I') know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I could think was, "natural selection."


I have a different idea about this posting.

I suspect one of the regular members here is having some fun. This guy can't be for real. His story is just too ridiculous and pathetic to be true.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 12:58:13

WoefulOne, my friend, it will take about two years to start feeling better about things, but you will be amazed how much better you feel after you really educate yourself about peak oil and all the other screwed up shit in this world.

Along the way, you may decide to just stick your head back in the sand, and that's okay too. Everyone deals with things in their own way.

Just approach the whole thing with kindness and humility and you will be able to cope with the ignorant people around you, and you will be able to understand that we got in this mess through good intentions, but incredibly poor strategies.

Matt Savinar's website is the gateway for many people, and Matt will scare the crap out of you. But you will always remember Life After the Oil Crash as the place you lost your doom virginity. Matt's a good guy and his site has a lot of good information.

Just take a deep breath, don't stop enjoying life, and just use your common sense to position yourself as well as you can.

Panic is not a strategy.

Pay down debt, avoid new debt, drive a car that gets good mileage, educate yourself about peak oil and related calamities, try to become a leader, rather than a terrified follower. Don't scare people when you talk to them, just try to get them thinking about things in a larger context.

Stop watching so much news, or when you do watch it make it a point to laugh at every awful story you see. Gallows humor is the ONLY way to keep from going crazy.

Be careful of doomsters who will upset you in order to sell you something.

The truth can be quite liberating, but it takes courage to face reality and accept the truth when it is unpleasant.

Think of peak oil as a two year curriculum. Just make yourself a student of it, and you will feel better as you begin to get a more textured understanding of it. It's really just the tip of a much larger iceberg, which is industrial civilization itself.

Read Ralph Borsodi's "This Ugly Civilization". He wrote it in the 1930s, but you will find that its critique of industrialization is very relevant today. It's available free on the internet.

Try to hold off on stocking up on guns and survival gear. That's a temptation when you first get started, but that's nothing but a band-aid. You may want to pick up some gear later, but for now just read and try to remain calm.

Best of luck.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:00:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PopeGideon', 'I') know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I could think was, "natural selection."


I have a different idea about this posting.

I suspect one of the regular members here is having some fun. This guy can't be for real. His story is just too ridiculous and pathetic to be true.


If eastbay is right, then disregard everything I wrote.

And take off that stupid troll mask.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:03:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PopeGideon', 'I') know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I could think was, "natural selection."


I have a different idea about this posting.

I suspect one of the regular members here is having some fun. This guy can't be for real. His story is just too ridiculous and pathetic to be true.


If eastbay is right, then disregard everything I wrote.

And take off that stupid troll mask.


And while you're at it:

SHUT YOUR TRAP!
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:04:12

You know what, he used the term "die off". Most rookie doomers don't know about die off.

WoefulOne, if you're JohnDenver or some other corny in drag, I hope this thread has a Scooby Doo ending.

But if you are real, see my comments above.
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:14:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PopeGideon', 'I') know this is brutally cruel, but as I'm reading this guy's post, all I
could think was, "natural selection."


I have a different idea about this posting.

I suspect one of the regular members here is having some fun. This
guy can't be for real. His story is just too ridiculous and pathetic to be true.
I considered this possibility as well, but say if it's someone trolling,
why not, some real person may read this someday. And if it's a real
concerned person, well we might as well give them some advice.
So the reality of this doesn't concern me too much. I'm giving
general advice that anyone might want to consider.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')nd while you're at it:

SHUT YOUR TRAP!
(in joke) :lol:
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:14:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Try to hold off on stocking up on guns and survival gear. That's a temptation when you first get started, but that's nothing but a band-aid. You may want to pick up some gear later, but for now just read and try to remain calm.


I don't know..I think it is of value to do general "disaster" or "emergency" preparedness. It helped me, anyway, to feel like I was "doing something" by stocking up on rice and toilet paper and water! Certainly no harm in it if you keep it modest.

http://www.redcross.org/services/disast ... 1_,00.html
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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:34:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'C')ertainly no harm in it if you keep it modest.
Ahh, that's your advice... (trying not to choke on my coffee)
Yes, um modest, just what I was thinking.

Maybe this is out of context, but...
"I would not personally want less than the 20 acres (farmland) I have..." - Ludi
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic36253-0-asc-15.html

I guess that's more modest then Roccman's preps. :roll:

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Re: New to "Peak Oil"

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 13:37:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'C')ertainly no harm in it if you keep it modest.
Ahh, that's your advice... (trying not to choke on my coffee)
Yes, um modest, just what I was thinking.

"I would not personally want less than the 20 acres (farmland) I have..." - Ludi


I bought that land YEARS before I knew anything about peak oil. So it has nothing much to do with disaster preparedness.


But thanks for being a jerk. :)
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