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Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby auscanman » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:21:10

Today's Globe and Mail had an article on
Peak Oil Doomers . The G&M is the mouthpiece of Canada's elite, so I was somewhat surprised by the inclusion of this article.

I think it did a decent job of demonstrating the varied reactions and preparations of people who are legitimately concerned about peak oil. However, I found the comment by the guy at the end of the article kind of stupid, regarding capitalism being infallible.

The overall gist is still to cast people who take peak oil seriously as nutcases, but at least they presented the main arguments of those who were interviewed.

They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:22:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he overall gist is still to cast people who take peak oil seriously as nutcases


You know what?

Fuck 'em.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby benzoil » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 17:46:40

Peak Oil will be regarded as the province of nut cases until its picked up by the mainstream. Then, it will be as if we never existed. Then, it'll be regarded as totally obvious, as if every normal person always thought that. Alternately, like the housing bubble, DotCom bubble, Word War II and women's lib following the invention of birth control, they'll say that it was "totally unpredictable".
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 17:53:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', '
')They didn't mention this website...


Can they handle the truth?

Quite frequently PO.com comes up as the number 1, 2 or 3 web site in the discussion of various PO issues. You can get most of the facts here, or if not here, at theoildrum.

It's hard to believe they wanted a serious discussion of the issues.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 19:32:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', '
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They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article.


Relax buddy, without a url hyperlink in the story it brings in next to no extra traffic. As in not even an extra 50-100 visits over normal.

If they had included a hyperlink, then yeah it would be something to be excited about.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby JPL » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 20:40:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', '
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They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article.


Relax buddy, without a url hyperlink in the story it brings in next to no extra traffic. As in not even an extra 50-100 visits over normal.

If they had included a hyperlink, then yeah it would be something to be excited about.


Ho humm This is My Last Post to this Forum

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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby auscanman » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 21:11:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', '
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They didn't mention this website, although Matt Savinar will undoubtedly be thrilled to know that lifeaftertheoilcrash.net was prominently featured in the article.


Relax buddy, without a url hyperlink in the story it brings in next to no extra traffic. As in not even an extra 50-100 visits over normal.

If they had included a hyperlink, then yeah it would be something to be excited about.


Geez... I meant it as a compliment. Who wouldn't be happy about more publicity for their website? Perhaps you shouldn't assume the worst, or instinctively react in a negative fashion when somebody on this website mentions lifeaftertheoilcrash.net.

FYI I find the articles on the Breaking News section of LATOC a good, informative read.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby keehah » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 22:13:45

Much psychological projection in the previous post.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby MattSavinar » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 23:38:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', ' ')Perhaps you shouldn't assume the worst, or instinctively react in a negative fashion when somebody on this website mentions lifeaftertheoilcrash.net.


Just check some of the threads here. Anytime my name or LATOC is mentioned, the howlers - led by the like of JPL - come out in full force.

And even if it wasn't for folks like him, I'd like react the same way as I'm just naturally hostile and adversarial.

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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby JPL » Sat 08 Mar 2008, 20:00:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
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Just check some of the threads here. Anytime my name or LATOC is mentioned, the howlers - led by the like of JPL - come out in full force.


For a serious reason. Dunnow about led by, though. I'm just an ordinary bloke with opinions & certainly aren't trying to be anyone's guru.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')And even if it wasn't for folks like him, I'd like react the same way as I'm just naturally hostile and adversarial.


To what end? That's what I keep trying to figure out about LATOC. There isn't any purpose behind the whole thing. Just some angry young man trying to rage against everything at once.

Your energy & your sharp intellect could also be a great force for change in the world if you would just turn it to positive ends.

Hmmmm...

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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby seahorse » Sat 08 Mar 2008, 21:36:45

JPL,

You need a leader for your "make the world good" cause? Instead of whining about Savinar not doing what you want done, why don't you do it yourself? Start your own website and lead the way. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way, but whatever you do, quit crying about what others are doing and just do something yourself.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby JPL » Sat 08 Mar 2008, 22:06:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'J')PL,

You need a leader for your "make the world good" cause? Instead of whining about Savinar not doing what you want done, why don't you do it yourself? Start your own website and lead the way. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way, but whatever you do, quit crying about what others are doing and just do something yourself.


I have always had a vision & a purpose in this debate & I also honestly feel that the best way to lead is by example - which is why I have also posted stuff about our little self-sufficiency experiment here in France - the successes & also the failures.

But I know that if the only person that the world has to rely on is me then we are all, totally & utterly fucked. I'm not your messiah - nor would I wish to be even if I had the qualifications (which I don't).

Only together will we solve these problems. The last thing we need now is yet another prat with a web-site saying he has all the solutions.

(Sorry)

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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 01:42:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
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Just some angry young man trying to rage against everything at once.

Your energy & your sharp intellect could also be a great force for change in the world if you would just turn it to positive ends.

Hmmmm...

JP


Sorry but I'm not so arrogant as to think I can "change" the world or that I am even smart enough to understand the complexities of how to go about changing a $50 trillion global economy. You'd really have to be pig-headed to think you know how to change things on that scale. You'd have to be something akin to God herself to even understand the complexities of these problems, let alone to think you are a "force" to change things for the better.

Remember what I told you in the other thread: those who claim they want to change the world actually want to control the world.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
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There isn't any purpose behind the whole thing.



I run it as a news aggregation service and the forum gives people a place to discuss things they can't discuss with the general public.

Were you in my shoes, you would likely attempt to use it as a platform for your own grandiose visions of how things should be. This, by definition, assumes that you are so smart and evolved that you can even figure out what should be best for 6.5 billion souls. Since I don't share your grandiose delusions and don't seek to use my site to promote said delusions, you are unable to understand what the point of the site is.

No offense, but your thinking is deeply sick and egotistical even if you are sure you have good intentions. You can't understand me or my work because you and I are in completely different head-spaces with yours being filled with a lot of bizarre delusions of personal power. To you running an online news aggregation service and forum is just too simple and humble for there to be a point to it. That's your problem not mine.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby MattSavinar » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 01:57:43

[quote="JPL" The last thing we need now is yet another prat with a web-site saying he has all the solutions.


JP[/quote]

Exactly. But that is exactly what you suggest I use LATOC for, as a way to create "positive change."

Using the site to create "positive change" assumes that I (or whoever) is even smart or evolved enough to fully understand the complexities of these problems, let alone offer solutions for "positive change", whatever the hell that means.
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby xerces » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 04:15:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
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To what end? That's what I keep trying to figure out about LATOC. There isn't any purpose behind the whole thing. Just some angry young man trying to rage against everything at once.

Your energy & your sharp intellect could also be a great force for change in the world if you would just turn it to positive ends.

Hmmmm...

JP



What is the point of this debate again? Everyone has their own definition of a positive society. And frankly, quite a few people here seems to be carrying out their versions of it. The undiscovered country will be very interesting no? :lol:

I have some experience in detailing with high-end NYC lawyers. Matt's intellect, imho, is unfortunately not quite sharp enough to be competitive. As country lawyer otoh....
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby ccricers » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 15:37:54

LATOC is best suited for the "worst case scenario" type of doomer preparation. For those that don't want to follow that route, you have other sites talking about how to mitigate problems instead of preparing for the worst while waiting for the **** to blow up in our faces.

But I think this blog article expresses my views much better than I can (towards the beginning of the article)

http://casaubonsbook.blogspot.com/2007/ ... r-hat.html
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Re: Globe and Mail Article on Peak Oil Doomers

Unread postby JPL » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:40:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
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Just some angry young man trying to rage against everything at once.

Your energy & your sharp intellect could also be a great force for change in the world if you would just turn it to positive ends.

Hmmmm...

JP


Sorry but I'm not so arrogant as to think I can "change" the world or that I am even smart enough to understand the complexities of how to go about changing a $50 trillion global economy. You'd really have to be pig-headed to think you know how to change things on that scale. You'd have to be something akin to God herself to even understand the complexities of these problems, let alone to think you are a "force" to change things for the better.

Remember what I told you in the other thread: those who claim they want to change the world actually want to control the world.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')
There isn't any purpose behind the whole thing.



I run it as a news aggregation service and the forum gives people a place to discuss things they can't discuss with the general public.

Were you in my shoes, you would likely attempt to use it as a platform for your own grandiose visions of how things should be. This, by definition, assumes that you are so smart and evolved that you can even figure out what should be best for 6.5 billion souls. Since I don't share your grandiose delusions and don't seek to use my site to promote said delusions, you are unable to understand what the point of the site is.

No offense, but your thinking is deeply sick and egotistical even if you are sure you have good intentions. You can't understand me or my work because you and I are in completely different head-spaces with yours being filled with a lot of bizarre delusions of personal power. To you running an online news aggregation service and forum is just too simple and humble for there to be a point to it. That's your problem not mine.


I think I understand LATOC pretty well - I have spent some time there (grin).

You are also attempting personal attacks which would be very effective but I've already explained that I have Asperger's Syndrome which means - in simple terms - that I have no externalised emotions (that people like you would understand). Think of Spock and you're kind-of getting there. So accusing me of wanting to run the world is really not going to work (just a tip).

Anyhow, I appreciate what you're saying about those who want to change the world also wanting to run it - that's a valid point. That's an acute summary of 20'th century history but I personally don't think it's going to be valid in the 21'st.

Men & women of vision ARE going to be important in the future, for good or ill is yet to be seen. I know it's not going to be me, my unusual brain chemistry limits my chances of relating to people on an every-day level, but it MIGHT be you, that's all I'm saying.

Think about it. The dice are still rolling. No-one yet knows what lies in store for the future...

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