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THE Panic-Don't Panic Thread (merged)

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Unread postby vegasmade » Wed 25 May 2005, 22:38:20

I'm glad to see we're all getting along again. You know, you were both right until it got personal. Human history is stained with the blood of inequality and petty strife. And once religions start mixing it up, break out the hip waders. This board is about the one thing in all time that will either bring us together or completely tear us apart. I imagine the end will be the same: fewer of us more separated than ever. If some of us see this through to the end, let's agree to banish all this religious nonsense and just live. Any belief that segregates man from man is crap. Only mother nature reigns supreme. The whole human story represents only an afternoon in her eyes, let's try to get us to tommorow!
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Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 26 May 2005, 00:10:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Liamj', 'N')ame the numbers & impacts of muslim immigration all you like, and all the certain incidents of muslim terrorism in the west. But i dare you to at the same time name the # of dead and maimed compared to when western nations colonise/globalise/occupy muslim countries.

I won't argue with you on that point. I don't think any group of people has a monopoly on doing bad. Speaking of globalization, anyone seen the documentary Life and Debt about Jamaica and the IMF? It almost makes you wish for peak oil knowing that it will put an end to globalization.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vegasmade', 'A')ny belief that segregates man from man is crap. Only mother nature reigns supreme. The whole human story represents only an afternoon in her eyes, let's try to get us to tommorow!

Well said dood.

I like this forum as it seems to have a large percentage of people who seem capable of independent and critical thought. Something that seems in short supply on other forums I participate in.

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Unread postby TheTurtle » Thu 26 May 2005, 09:05:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jaakkeli', '
')I'm only upset about Nazi assholes like you. If PO truly leads to a complete societal breakdown, I'll enjoy the chance to kill you little shits.


Ouch! :o
And some people scoff when we "doomers" suggest that things WILL get ugly when the global economy collapses.
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Unread postby vegasmade » Fri 27 May 2005, 04:47:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') like this forum as it seems to have a large percentage of people who seem capable of independent and critical thought. Something that seems in short supply on other forums I participate in.

I'm begining to see two types of people-the happily spoon fed, and the thinkers! Now I'm not gonna name names, but geeez folks- if you're spending your time at this forum, you at least must agree oil depletion is real. Now sure, the Saudis may say they've got plenty of oil, OPEC may agree, but that doesn't begin to cover future demand and proven depletion everywhere else.
Additionally- we've been warned repeatedly, by world leaders and experts, that this is all going down soon. But don't take their word for it, look at their actions. VP Dick's energy policy meetings in early '01 are now considered a state secret. Matt Simmons attended! And they've fought to keep the those records sealed. Unocal tried to seduce the Taliban into running a NG pipeline through Afganistan, a decade ago. They balked, and we installed Hamid Karzi, an ex-Unocal suit! Thirteen years ago we turned off the spicket in Iraq. We lied to invade, and have now (happily) desposed, a dictator we supported.
Now I'll admit I've had a few drinks and am feeling abrasive, but use your f-ing heads people! Our (questionably) good deeds of the last century are no reason to believe we have an undeniable obligation to be acceptant of current events. I'm not even going to get into Central America, and how we've raped and pilaged those countries (ie- University of the Americas= terrorist training camp). Or our importation of drugs while spending billions on a war against it. Or maybe our current pledge to end tyranny, only in energy producing regions (not Africa). The writings on the wall, can you read?
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 12:31:31

Panic is still never a good thing, but I do think this commercial is funny.
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby ChefBoyardee » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 12:50:38

Just to add a bit of comic relief...

Here in Ontario's north we are paying $1.14/litre for regular unleaded gasoline. Considering that there's 3.78 litres for every 1 U.S. gallon, and keeping in mind the parity between the U.S. and Canadian currencies we are paying...

...$4.31/U.S. gallon

Americans - you still have it pretty good. You guys should be laughing. We on the other hand don't find it very funny. Ouch!

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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 13:15:07

There is a "large group" of people that will get very ugly and dangerous as TSHTF. These peeps are in total denial and will NOT accept the fact that business CAN'T go on as always.
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby malcomatic_51 » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 15:35:09

This thread was begun three years ago.

The panic is a long time coming.....
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 15:53:17

Drip by drip PO is permeating into the public consciousness like a meme. Over the weekend I heard Bob Brinker (moneytalk on AM radio) talk wistfully about what we could have done to wean ourselves off of oil, but we blew it and now we are "riding down Hubbert's curve". That really shocked me to hear this terminology casually on the radio out of the mouths of people who have no ulterior motive in sounding the alarm.
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 16:44:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('malcomatic_51', 'T')his thread was begun three years ago.

The panic is a long time coming.....


Long Emergencies, result in Long Panics.
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 16:48:39

Still it would take a brass band the size of Jupiter just to get this giant to roll over.
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 16:53:27

The two funniest things about this thread are:

1. It was started three years ago and the sky hasn't fallen yet, and

2. Aaron's only response to the end of the world theme was "please use the URL button to shorten web addresses."
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 18:11:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')he two funniest things about this thread are:

1. It was started three years ago and the sky hasn't fallen yet, and

2. Aaron's only response to the end of the world theme was "please use the URL button to shorten web addresses."
The sky HAS fallen for the ever-increasing number of people sifting through trash bins each day behind my building. We now have fixed-income people living without heat, or going anywhere. Millions are losing their jobs and their homes. Prices have substantially increased, yet its just a pimple on increases revving up now.

YOUR sky hasn't fallen yet, that is all you are saying, and it may stay relatively intact for you. But chances are good you will suffer some fallout, though, and then your whining will most certainly be monumental. Day to day risks rise substantially living in countries where large groups of the population have nothing to live for and nothing to lose, and the threats of jail or death have little impact on their choices. Count on substantial increases in the time and money and loss of freedom incurred in increased security requirements, at the least.
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 19:09:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fiddlerdave', 'Y')OUR sky hasn't fallen yet, that is all you are saying, and it may stay relatively intact for you. But chances are good you will suffer some fallout, though, and then your whining will most certainly be monumental. Day to day risks rise substantially living in countries where large groups of the population have nothing to live for and nothing to lose, and the threats of jail or death have little impact on their choices. Count on substantial increases in the time and money and loss of freedom incurred in increased security requirements, at the least.


Easy there cowboy. Look at the unemployment rate between 2005 and today. The sky hasn't fallen for most. We're a few months into a group freakout here; I'm just suggesting that maybe panic isn't the best response to frightening uncertainties.

I could have told people that using an ARM to buy a house they couldn't afford and credit cards to live beyond their means wasn't a good idea. That's not the sky falling, that's just a series of poor decisions coming to a head.

If we are in the midst of some kind of comprehensive catastrophic cascade of calamities, panic is still not a helpful response.

Nothing wrong with a little humor to give some perspective.

But I've got my bug out bag and zombie heater ready, just in case.
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 19:17:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fiddlerdave', 'Y')OUR sky hasn't fallen yet, that is all you are saying, and it may stay relatively intact for you. But chances are good you will suffer some fallout, though, and then your whining will most certainly be monumental. Day to day risks rise substantially living in countries where large groups of the population have nothing to live for and nothing to lose, and the threats of jail or death have little impact on their choices. Count on substantial increases in the time and money and loss of freedom incurred in increased security requirements, at the least.


Easy there cowboy. Look at the unemployment rate between 2005 and today. The sky hasn't fallen for most. We're a few months into a group freakout here; I'm just suggesting that maybe panic isn't the best response to frightening uncertainties.

I could have told people that using an ARM to buy a house they couldn't afford and credit cards to live beyond their means wasn't a good idea. That's not the sky falling, that's just a series of poor decisions coming to a head.

If we are in the midst of some kind of comprehensive catastrophic cascade of calamities, panic is still not a helpful response.

Nothing wrong with a little humor to give some perspective.

But I've got my bug out bag and zombie heater ready, just in case.


Fiddlerdave has a point. You 1%'ers haven't been hit yet!
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 19:54:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'F')iddlerdave has a point. You 1%'ers haven't been hit yet!


Have you been hit? What hit you? Was it unexpected?
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Re: Panic is starting

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 20:04:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'F')iddlerdave has a point. You 1%'ers haven't been hit yet!


Have you been hit? What hit you? Was it unexpected?

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Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Stratovarius » Wed 19 Mar 2008, 16:52:33

In the IRC channel, there were like 3 or 4 other people other than myself who had or regularly experience panic attacks. I was wondering if maybe there's some correlation between people susceptible to being a doomer and having panic attacks.

Or not.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby RonMN » Wed 19 Mar 2008, 16:56:24

I've never had a panic attack & I'm a doomer.

A friend of mine has had several & you couldn't convince him of peak oil (or anything bad of any sort could ever happen) if it bit him in the ass.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Stratovarius » Wed 19 Mar 2008, 17:04:54

Apparently the causes are both psychological and chemical. But I wonder if the prevalence of either varies from person to person.
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