[EnemyCombatant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'B')y all means, release them! I want to see what gave Hirsch a near nervous breakdown, on camera. Did you see him interviewed after he saw this stuff?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'S')eymour Hirsch (and members of Congress) have seen the photos. Hirsch says they are much worse than what was released last year, and they include videos of children being raped to try to force their mothers to talk.

No wonder the Iraqis like us so much ...

I personally don't like secretive government ... let the chips fall where they may. If it embarrasses the Bush people, so be it.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')MO, the pix should NOT be released. I feel as if it will only have negative effects.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'B')ut what do we expect. Soldiers are not over their to be choir boys. Torture is a major theme of war.

[LadyRuby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'S')eymour Hirsch (and members of Congress) have seen the photos. Hirsch says they are much worse than what was released last year, and they include videos of children being raped to try to force their mothers to talk.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')MO, the pix should NOT be released. I feel as if it will only have negative effects.
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[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')MO, the pix should NOT be released. I feel as if it will only have negative effects.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')MO, the pix should NOT be released. I feel as if it will only have negative effects.
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[EnemyCombatant]

IMO, the pix won't change anything. War is about torture and horror. Releasing pix will not change the fundamentals of war.

When you wage war on a country, you'd better be ready to do ANYTHING to win.

Why are you people complaining? What do you expect? You think war is like the Fox News drama 'Over There'?

We opened pandora's box, there is no turning back.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'W')hen you wage war on a country, you'd better be ready to do ANYTHING to win.
We opened pandora's box, there is no turning back.

[paimei01]

I have seen the new pictures from Abu Ghraib.
I am sure that all those soldiers were not all evil murderers before they got there to be guards at that prison. I think they were the same as all the other soldiers. What happened then ?

I am sure that lots of people 50 % at least, if they are put in the same situation would do the same thing - torture the prisoners. Even if in their normal life are "nice" people.
They "go with the flow", forgetting that they are humans, they behave more like trees that all bend in the same way in the wind

Animals are trained using fear or rewards, we are humans and should behave like so, no human should ever make decisions based on fear or rewards

[AirlinePilot]

What new pictures paime? Mind giving a link?

[paimei01]

http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... abu_ghraib

New or old does not matter. I just wanted to show that the majority of "normal" and "nice" people can become torturers given the right conditions and some lead by example

[paimei01]

Give people roles, and they will quickly start playing them. Everybody plays a role in our world, and most of the people are totally caught in that role, forgetting that they are humans above all. Their "masks" take over them

Stanford experiment :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a team of researchers led by psychologist Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University. Undergraduate volunteers played the roles of both guards and prisoners living in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building.

The experiment quickly grew out of hand. Prisoners suffered — and accepted — sadistic and humiliating treatment from the guards. The high level of stress progressively led them from rebellion to inhibition. By experiment's end, many showed severe emotional disturbances.

After a relatively uneventful first day, a riot broke out on the second day. The guards volunteered to work extra hours and worked together to break the prisoner revolt, attacking the prisoners with fire extinguishers without supervision from the research staff.

Prisoner counts, initially devised for the prisoners to learn their identity numbers, degenerated to hour-long ordeals where guards tormented the prisoners and imposed physical punishments, including long bouts of forced exercise. The prison became dirty and inhospitable; bathroom rights became privileges, which could be, and frequently were, denied. Some prisoners were forced to clean toilets with bare hands. Mattresses were removed from the "bad" cell block and the prisoners forced to sleep naked on the concrete floor. Moreover, prisoners endured forced nudity and even sexual humiliation.

Zimbardo cited his own absorption in the experiment he guided, and in which he actively participated as Prison Superintendent. On the fourth day, he and the guards reacted to an escape rumor by attempting to move the entire experiment to a real, unused cell block at the local police station, because it was more secure. The police department refused, citing insurance liability concerns; Zimbardo recalls his anger and disgust with the lack of co-operation, between his and the police's jails.

As the experiment proceeded, several guards became progressively sadistic. Experimenters said that approximately one-third of the guards exhibited genuine sadistic tendencies. Interestingly, most of the guards were upset when the experiment concluded early.

[Dukkha]

It would be interesting to see some cross-cultural studies based on this; the extent to which culture inhibits or promotes this type of behaviour might be of significance.