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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Last_Laff » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 16:26:57

102.60... All time record breaking, yes?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 16:27:35

Almost to $105 now:

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Nymex hit $102.64, according to Barchart.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 16:35:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Laff', '1')02.60... All time record breaking, yes?


Yes, $102.53 was the all-time inflation-adjusted record.

Of course, we'll probably hear that revised to $103.80 or some such tomorrow. :roll:
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 16:37:47

Oh, geez, can't I predict this?

Posted 10 minutes ago, by the AP:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') $38 barrel of oil then would be worth $97 to $104 or more today, depending on the how the adjustment is calculated. A direct comparison with daily Nymex prices is difficult because historical data, gathered before the crude futures contract was created in 1983, are based on average monthly prices posted by oil producers.


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Never quite there, eh?...
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 16:51:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'O')h, geez, can't I predict this?

Posted 10 minutes ago, by the AP:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') $38 barrel of oil then would be worth $97 to $104 or more today, depending on the how the adjustment is calculated. A direct comparison with daily Nymex prices is difficult because historical data, gathered before the crude futures contract was created in 1983, are based on average monthly prices posted by oil producers.


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Never quite there, eh?...


Yea, EB, you nailed it. Makes you want to take them all by the neck and shake them and scream: QUIT USING "INFLATION ADJUSTED" YOU FREAKIN' MORONS! IT DOESN'T MATTER TODAY!

Edited to add: We're currently at $102.75. Another record close today at $102.59.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 17:03:13

Reuters thinks we're there:

Oil hits inflation-adjusted record high

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')Reuters) - U.S. oil surged to a new inflation-adjusted record high on Thursday, surpassing the previous record of $102.53 set in 1980, according to the International Energy Agency.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 17:03:32

Where does this train stop - $105?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 17:24:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'W')here does this train stop - $105?

Nope. That's just a station on the way to wherever the hell we're going:

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Re: Another Record

Unread postby morph » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 18:11:11

So we finally reached the inflation adjusted cost that has been out of reach for years. How high can we go...
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby gnm » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 18:24:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('morph', 'S')o we finally reached the inflation adjusted cost that has been out of reach for years. How high can we go...


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Re: Another Record

Unread postby smiley » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 19:17:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow high can we go...


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Next dot of this chart will be $100.

After that? I guess we'll keep climbing this wall until something breaks.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 22:27:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'W')here does this train stop - $105?


Major retirement funds are just getting in as the price rings $100.

I think we've already started the new era where oil exporters realize they can earn more by withholding exports, and investors realize that if they don't want their retirement fund pummeled by the housing debacle they better get some natural resources - before the day comes they won't even be able to buy them.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')alpers to Boost Commodity Investments Through 2010 (Update3)

By Saijel Kishan

Feb. 28 (Bloomberg) -- The California Public Employees' Retirement System, the largest U.S. pension fund, may increase its commodities investments 16-fold to $7.2 billion through 2010 as raw materials prices surge to records.

Calpers, which has about $240 billion in assets, agreed at a Feb. 19 board meeting to hold between 0.5 percent and 3 percent of its assets in commodities, spokesman Clark McKinley said. The Sacramento, California-based fund last year put $450 million into commodities, its first such investment.

The agreement is the fruit of Chief Investment Officer Russell Read's efforts since joining in 2006 to boost returns by shifting funds into raw materials and markets such as China and India. Oil has soared above $100 a barrel, wheat breached $13 a bushel for the first time, and gold and platinum climbed to the highest ever since Calpers began investing in commodities.

``We plan on ramping up the program by hiring additional staff,'' McKinley said by phone yesterday. ``We are excited about commodities, which have performed exceptionally well for us.''

``Strength in commodity markets will be something we should see generally over the next 10 to 20 years,'' Read, 44, said in an interview in April, a year after he moved to Calpers from Deutsche Asset Management. ``The actual importance of the energy and materials sector we believe is going to explode.''

Investors from hedge funds to housewives have been putting their money into commodities such as gold, silver, copper, wheat and energy to help cover losses on stock investments and make up for historically low Treasury yields. Public pension plans in the U.S. hold on average about 81 percent of the funds they need for future retiree benefits, down from 100 percent in 2000, according to a study by Standard & Poor's.


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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 22:31:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il Rises to Record as Dollar Drops, OPEC May Maintain Output

By Nesa Subrahmaniyan and Christian Schmollinger

Feb. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil rose to a record $103.05 a barrel as the dollar fell to an all-time low against the euro, prompting investors to buy commodities as an inflation hedge.



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Re: Another Record

Unread postby something_awfull » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 00:14:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'W')here does this train stop - $105?


We're on the train to Doomsville and I'm sorry, the last stop was some time ago. This service is scheduled to crash and burn at 11! Have a nice day :twisted:
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 01:09:30

Pushing up prices, in additon to reports that OPEC output has started to fall again in late February, Ecuador halted oil exports today. It'as not clear if Ecuador will be able to resume output Friday.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il hits fresh high after Ecuador pipeline rupture
Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:35am

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Oil hit a new high above $103 on Friday after Ecuador shut a key export pipeline and a fire hit a major European natural gas plant, while the U.S. dollar's decline to a succession of lows kept fresh funds flowing in.

U.S. crude jumped 39 cents to $102.98 a barrel by 0122 GMT, after hitting $103.05 in early morning trade, smashing the inflation-adjusted high of $102.53 reached in 1980, a year after the Iranian revolution.

The Trans-Ecuadorean pipeline which pumps most of the oil extracted by Petroecuador in the Amazon jungle to ports on the Pacific Ocean was shut after a landslide punctured it.

The state oil firm Petroecuador initially said it would declare force majeure on shipments from the pipeline, but shortly thereafter reversed the decision, saying it would bypass the damage or use a private pipeline.


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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Gandalf_the_White » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 02:52:07

If there are too many coincidental declines this year I am going to play the conspiracy card and say they are squeezing us. But then again it could be the cover-up for 8% declines coming on because they overstated their reserves and then steamed the oil fields to make it look legit for a while. Either way folks we are looking at a painful year. Does anyone believe $112 by Easter?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 11:05:10

Whatever:

Crude Oil Drops on Expectation Commodity Investment Is Overdone

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil fell from a record above $103 a barrel on speculation the surge in price doesn't reflect demand for the commodity.

Oil has risen 15 percent this month and set an all-time high the last four days as a falling dollar prompted investments in commodities priced in the U.S. currency. Still, a slowing U.S. economy may cut demand in the world's largest energy consumer, where crude stockpiles have risen for seven weeks.

"You've got massive asset allocations shifting into commodities, but there are not enough fundamental reasons for prices to be this high,'' said Robert Montefusco, a broker at Sucden (U.K.) Ltd. in London. "The slowing of the U.S. economy may start to slow down the oil market.''

Crude oil for April delivery fell as much as $1.04 cents, or 1 percent, to $101.55 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract traded at $102.23 at 1:12 p.m. London time.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby dorlomin » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 11:52:40

Id not be shocked to see oil drop to $80 this year when demand falls away as 'Chinese' demand turns out to be the demand for Chinese manufacturers to buy oil to make things to sell to america and americans cut back on Driving over the summer to tighten belts.

Oil is not gold, it needs to be sold to someone who can buy it to use for either driving or making something plasticy and sellable.

Offcourse this is dependant on the dollar not hitting $1.75 against the Euro. :)
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Revi » Sat 01 Mar 2008, 20:07:15

The price of oil can't go down too much, because there are so many people waiting to buy it whenever it drops below $100.

Now that all these retirement funds and Joe Sixpack are into commodities it has to boom (and bust).
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 02 Mar 2008, 13:11:37

d wrote:

"Oil is not gold, it needs to be sold to someone who can buy it to use for either driving or making something plasticy and sellable."

Good point, but on the other hand once gold is mined it is pretty much around forever so the total amount is always increasing, while oil is quickly burned up or changed into something else, so is gone for ever shortly after being mined.
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