by Pops » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 20:40:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'A')nother one I kind of like but don't agree with much is Pat Buchanan (I don't know how that's going to play with this crowd).
I just like the interesting personalities who seem to believe what they say and don't take every cheap shot they can.
Yea I watch all the Talking Heads shows I can get and Pat has been on the one Susan calls The Yeller Show (McLaughlin Group) since way back.
It is interesting to me that even the most strident folks on TV have become somewhat more circumspect over the last few years.
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by lys3rg0 » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 21:42:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'T')he world is now a better place.
Exactly my point; I have never voted for a republican in my 50 years but for some, as quoted above, even the idea of showing respect for a person of some intellect with a different mindset brings out their bumper sticker mentality.
Dude, get a fscking clue. I'm not dissing Buckley just because i disagree with him (as he did so many times himself). The fact that he posessed "some intellect" as you say is even more contemptible when this intellect was used to publicly blacklist all the professors at Yale, defend McCarthy and his witchhunt, denounce atheists and preach that only theists can hold a moral high ground, or to support the forcefull tattoing of HIV patients... and this is barely scratching the surface.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 1955, Mr. Buckley started National Review as voice for “the disciples of truth, who defend the organic moral order” with a $100,000 gift from his father and $290,000 from outside donors. The first issue, which came out in November, claimed the publication “stands athwart history yelling Stop.”
It proved it by lining up squarely behind Southern segregationists, saying Southern whites had the right to impose their ideas on blacks who were as yet culturally and politically inferior to them. After some conservatives objected, Mr. Buckley suggested instead that both uneducated whites and blacks should be denied the vote.
From his book Nearer My God to Thee:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')magine the fate of slavery and of the Inquisition in a moral vacuum in which the magnetic reach of Christianity was unfelt. Mightn't it be said that, but for Christianity, there is reason to wonder whether slavery would even now be extinct in the Christian world? And that whatever the historical slowness of its reflexes, the stability of Catholic-dominated Christianity continues to be central to the moral health and prospects of the human race?
by Alcassin » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 22:24:11
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'T')he world is now a better place.
Yes.
He was eloquent and intelligent, that's what made him so dangerous. Very clever way to influence other people by toxicity of his views is pragmatism which can be admired by all, but the essence... only if you're conservative.
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by PenultimateManStanding » Thu 28 Feb 2008, 23:08:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'T')he world is now a better place.
Yes.
He was eloquent and intelligent, that's what made him so dangerous. Very clever way to influence other people by toxicity of his views is pragmatism which can be admired by all, but the essence... only if you're conservative.
Yes, Stalin was dangerous too. I admired Buckley. So sue me.
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by wisconsin_cur » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 00:08:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') admired Buckley. So sue me.
His ideas were backward and WRONG, but he dressed them up in sophisticated verbage and made an intellectually bankrupt philosophy chic.
Or are you just upset that such ideas could be eloquently and persuasively made?
I never watched the guy; never read the magazine; couldn't tell you one thing he did or objected to.
I do observe that the passing seems to bring a little too much joy to some which says more about those speaking than the man who is now dead.
Seems like many are sulking that the death of Christianity was proclaimed a little too early and that this man had a part, a small part, in making it intellectually respectable to believe again. Forgive the man, he had the audacity to believe as fervently as you but in something other than you.
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by Alcassin » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 00:18:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Y')es, Stalin was dangerous too. I admired Buckley. So sue me.
Sure, and even Stalin was admired by Truman. You can't say that Stalin wasn't intelligent... Intelligence has nothing to do with the ideas somebody holds. Talleyrand is the best example.
So sue Truman or whoever you want. You may admire even Pol Pot, I don't care B-)
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