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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby joeltrout » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 03:59:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '
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Good call on the low price, since I think most likely we've seen the lows for the year already.


I still think we will see $80 sometime this year. Though I hope I am wrong since my salary comes from oil revenues

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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 12:16:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', 'I')f oil prices were adjusted to inflation what should a barrel of oil be going for ?


I've seen $96-103 in an article yesterday. I'm sure it will be revised to $105-113 soon enough. :roll:
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby Last_Laff » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 12:32:55

How is this the first time if January New Year 100 dollar mark hit was the first time?
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 13:00:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Laff', 'H')ow is this the first time if January New Year 100 dollar mark hit was the first time?


I think that was an intraday high; it still closed below $100.

This thread marks the first close above $100.
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby killJOY » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 13:00:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow is this the first time if January New Year 100 dollar mark hit was the first time?


LL, I think it has to do with closing price.

In January, a contract was bought for over a hundred, then resold at a loss, so the buyer had the "privilege" of claiming to be the first person to trade oil at $100.

I believe yesterday's closing price was above $100.

Anyone care to verify?
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 13:19:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '
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Sure.

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The price of oil closed above $100 per barrel for the first time Tuesday, extending a monthlong bull market that is already costing drivers at the gas pump.
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby cube » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 19:24:14

There's a theory floating around that oil must go down because we're in a recession. I guess it's time to makes some "revisions" to that theory. The 1970's have demonstrated quite well that just b/c the economy goes down that does not mean everything must go down. Commodities can still go up. :)
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 19:52:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'T')here's a theory floating around that oil must go down because we're in a recession. I guess it's time to makes some "revisions" to that theory. The 1970's have demonstrated quite well that just b/c the economy goes down that does not mean everything must go down. Commodities can still go up. :)


Demand destruction will come riding up any moment, right?
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby oilluber » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 20:12:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'T')here's a theory floating around that oil must go down because we're in a recession. I guess it's time to makes some "revisions" to that theory. The 1970's have demonstrated quite well that just b/c the economy goes down that does not mean everything must go down. Commodities can still go up. :)


Demand destruction will come riding up any moment, right?


actually, in the US, as they get poorer relative to the rest of the world,
their demand should decline.
The problem being that global growth will more than compensate for the
decline in the US.

the US citizen may have to buy more bycycles made from china.
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby Graeme » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 02:35:24

Why oil prices are at a record high

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')obust demand for crude, real and threatened disruptions to supply and a weak U.S. dollar have fuelled the rally from a dip below $50 at the start of 2007.

Adjusted for inflation, oil is only just below the $101.70 peak hit in April 1980, according to the International Energy Agency, a year after the Iranian revolution.

Investment flows from pension and hedge funds into commodities including oil have boomed, as has speculative trading.

At the same time, a global credit crunch has brought some other markets, such as the U.S. asset-backed commercial paper market, to a virtual standstill.

Some of that money has found its way into energy and commodities, analysts say.


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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby yesplease » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 02:46:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'T')here's a theory floating around that oil must go down because we're in a recession. I guess it's time to makes some "revisions" to that theory.
We're in a recession already?
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 04:45:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'T')here's a theory floating around that oil must go down because we're in a recession. I guess it's time to makes some "revisions" to that theory.
We're in a recession already?


It's just like Peak Oil. You can't say you're in it for sure until it's firmly established.
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby yesplease » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 05:21:23

Ed Zachary! So isn't saying there's no demanding destruction, which would only extend to the country in the midst of said recession, when we won't know we're in a recession until at least a few months after the fact, be a bit presumptive?

Of course, who am I to make commentary on demand. Like those over at TOD have speculated, instead of continuing to slow like it has, it'll probably take off at an extra 3-5% per year while available supply clearly declines YOY. Yeah, that must be it... :lol:
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby lowem » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 06:07:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'A')djusted for inflation, oil is only just below the $101.70 peak hit in April 1980, according to the International Energy Agency, a year after the Iranian revolution.


The news people are still harping on the inflation-adjusted figure aren't they. A few dollars more and they'd have to stop parroting that line.
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby manu » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 10:36:58

Wait till it hits 160. Of course by then the Fed will have printed another trillion $, so ajusted for inflation it will still be just under the price in 1980. Ha ha ha ha ha. By the way, the Prez says, life has never been better, the war is won, this is just a bump in the road, Monsanto is a good company that cares about people, this is for the good of the people, you will like your room in the prison camp, we need to nuke some place.
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 12:07:01

'Interesting' article, Graeme. Judging from the line "dip below $50 at the beginning of 2007," J6P could very well assume there is a $50 speculation "surcharge" on a barrel of oil the way that article was worded.
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Re: Oil closes above $100 for the first time

Unread postby jdmartin » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 12:40:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('What2DO', 'I')f oil prices were adjusted to inflation what should a barrel of oil be going for ?


I've seen $96-103 in an article yesterday. I'm sure it will be revised to $105-113 soon enough. :roll:


:lol: Funny how that seems to be the case...in the eyes of the optomistic economist, we'll never exceed that level in the 80s! As oil increases and pushes the price of everything else up, whoops! Inflation-adjusted, we're still behind the all-time highs! Whoopee! Party on Garth!
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OIL: NOW THE HIGHEST EVER

Unread postby KevO » Wed 27 Feb 2008, 12:39:41

but it's bloody close..

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he price of oil has hit a record high for the second day running, touching $102.08 a barrel for US sweet crude.

However, the figure is still surpassed in inflation-adjusted terms by the peak of $102.53 reached in 1980, the International Energy Agency says.

"[Opec] appears reluctant to heed requests from Western leaders to add more barrels to the market in order to soften prices," said Robert Laughlin at MF Global.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7266223.stm

**EDIT** Oil reached $102.60 on Thursday, February 28, beating even the inflation-adjusted record.
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Re: OIL PASSES $102 BUT STILL NOT HIGHEST EVER

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 27 Feb 2008, 12:46:53

$101.70, per Yahoo UK, February 20.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U').S. crude ended up 74 cents at $100.74 barrel, the top settlement on record, after hitting an all-time high of $101.32 a barrel earlier in the day. The gains sent crude near the all-time inflation adjusted high of $101.70 hit in April 1980, a year after the Iranian revolution, according to the International Energy Agency.


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Re: OIL PASSES $102 BUT STILL NOT HIGHEST EVER

Unread postby highlander » Wed 27 Feb 2008, 13:24:50

One of the great things about inflation is we will never catch the 1980 high, at least according to published reports.
Look back at the previous peaks, the reports are the same, only the numbers have changed.
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