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Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

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Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby shakespear1 » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 07:16:45

Before you jump to the conclusion that this is a topic about the death process let me just say "NO IT IS NOT".

I saw the documentary last night on cable and thought it was brilliant. The power of WORDS is greater than we realize. Watch the film to understand why.

More about this documentary and the hypothesis that our fear of death motivates human violence and antisocial behavior can be found here,

Film review

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'The movie, narrated by Gabriel Byrne, has won recognition at a number of film festivals, including the audience choice for best documentary at the Beverly Hills Film Festival last May. Like "Bowling for Columbine," to which it has been likened by some festival attendees, it takes on the issue of how fear motivates violence.')

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Re: Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 08:06:11

And it is available at Netflix. I just moved it to the top of my queue since it is a few weeks until any other movie that I want to see is released.
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Re: Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby shakespear1 » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 08:22:30

Something interesting is found here

Violance

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'A typical psychology textbook, he says, contains virtually no mention
of religion, despite the 19th-century American founder of psychology,
William James, devoting a great deal of energy to the subject.

"Most psychologists have no idea why two people who are probably
equally religious -- the Dalai Lama and Osama bin Laden -- could end
up being so different, with one teaching peace and one preaching
violence," he says.

With his grant, Norenzayan plans to make his first trip to Lebanon
since he left at age 18. He'll explore more deeply the impression he
developed as a young man in the war-torn country that spiritual
beliefs can be exploited by leaders to foment aggression against
outsiders.')
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Re: Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 08:41:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'S')omething interesting is found here

Violance

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'A typical psychology textbook, he says, contains virtually no mention
of religion, despite the 19th-century American founder of psychology,
William James, devoting a great deal of energy to the subject.

"Most psychologists have no idea why two people who are probably
equally religious -- the Dalai Lama and Osama bin Laden -- could end
up being so different, with one teaching peace and one preaching
violence," he says.

With his grant, Norenzayan plans to make his first trip to Lebanon
since he left at age 18. He'll explore more deeply the impression he
developed as a young man in the war-torn country that spiritual
beliefs can be exploited by leaders to foment aggression against
outsiders.')


Of course the attempt to simplistically link religion to either violence or non-violence is rather, well, simplistic and rooted in preconceived notions. It is like writing,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')sychologists are unable to determine what makes some visitors to Peakoil.com beat and abuse their spouse while others are loving and attentive.


I know, maybe the reason there is no answer is because the two are not related:D They would be violent or peaceful even if they were athiests. Some people would care for or abuse their spouses if they spent their time reading pop star gossip on the web instead of peakoil.com.

I hate to break it to people but their are violent Buddhists Link
and their are violent atheists (Stalin anyone?) and there are violent Christians, Muslims and Jews. Perhaps someone could argue if a particular religion promotes or discourages violence more than others but that would be like describing various kinds of nationalism (as well as anti-nationalist anarchists or globalists) and discussing whether or not they contribute to violence.

Violence is part of who we are (violence in chimps). We can do things to promote it or to discourage it but that will be done by something that motivates people and anything that can motivate people can be used to motivate them to war. Religion is not alone in the long-list of things that motivate people.

I look forward to seeing the movie but I would guess that fear of death can also dissuade people from war. Perhaps we should make the people who vote for war send their own personal offspring to the front line (sorry no kid over 18 you do not get a vote).
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Re: Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby shakespear1 » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 09:38:45

If you see the movie or read on this subject you will see that an empirical approach has been taken to try to understand how fear of death is related to violent behavior.

Thus in this case there is hard data to buttress this hypothesis.
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Re: Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby evilgenius » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 15:11:18

Well, that explains a lot of the Obama phenomenon. I like Obama too, but I am very suspicious of other's motivations. Maybe it is a lot of misdirected denial about the condition of America, in other words, rather than a genuine turning that has brought America to Obama's camp. They like Obama too, but they might not really get along with what he will do if he becomes president.

I am of the opinion that America got George Bush because he was perfect for them. Now that America's own nature has betrayed its suicide by self-indulgence inner core they claim to want something else. Obama had better perform from the start without error, should he be given the job, or the real nature of America might decide to make a comeback.

If the going gets too tough I think America would rather go back to committing suicide the self-delusional, self-indulgent way than change for the better.
When it comes down to it, the people will always shout, "Free Barabbas." They love Barabbas. He's one of them. He has the same dreams. He does what they wish they could do. That other guy is more removed, more inscrutable. He makes them think. "Crucify him."
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Re: Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 15:25:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'I')f you see the movie or read on this subject you will see that an empirical approach has been taken to try to understand how fear of death is related to violent behavior.

Thus in this case there is hard data to buttress this hypothesis.


I don't have a problem with the idea that fear of death is related to violent behavior. I do think the question, "How is it that religiosity both creates peaceful and violent behavior?" is a stupid question. If there is no correlation then why are we looking for causation?
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Re: Flight From Death: The Quest For Immortality

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 26 Feb 2008, 22:48:20

Looks like a phenomenal movie. I just ordered a copy.
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