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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby billg » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 11:06:42

Assuming each person who consumes grassfed beef and grassfed dairy milk owns the equivalent of 1 cow/steer, then that person also has approximately 10-12 acres of deforested land dedicated just to him/her.

No wonder the earth is doomed.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 13:27:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'y')ou people worry way too fucking much. "oh no. There's a 1 in 600million chance that I might get mad cow disease. I should stop eating beef." Stop worrying so much.

I eat rare steak all the time and I don't care if I get sick. If I get sick and die, then I deserved it for having inferior genes and a weak immune system. If the bacteria/virus wins, then good for them. The victor should receive the rewards.


Yeah. I think it's a form of OCD. People are obsessed with avoiding anything that might bring them a 1 in a million chance of death. We've taken out all the predators and all the nasty epidemic diseases. Now everybody has to riot over getting flu shots so that they don't get the sniffles. It's much easier if you just accept that you're going to die and try to enjoy the ride as much as possible.

My standard for when the steaks are "done", BTW, is that they don't flinch when you poke them with a fork.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby SpringCreekFarm » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 13:44:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'A')ssuming each person who consumes grassfed beef and grassfed dairy milk owns the equivalent of 1 cow/steer, then that person also has approximately 10-12 acres of deforested land dedicated just to him/her.

No wonder the earth is doomed.


Maybe in South America.

But then they slash and burn forest to grow beans for your tofu too.

Cattle can produce excellent meat on marginal pasture on land too rough for cultivation of field crops.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby roccman » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 13:52:14

So - if vids of the slaughter of 1 million Iraqis surfaced...we would end this "war on terror"?

I think not.

More scare tactics.

It is all that sheeple respond to.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby billg » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 14:27:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'A')ssuming each person who consumes grassfed beef and grassfed dairy milk owns the equivalent of 1 cow/steer, then that person also has approximately 10-12 acres of deforested land dedicated just to him/her.

No wonder the earth is doomed.


Maybe in South America.

But then they slash and burn forest to grow beans for your tofu too.

Cattle can produce excellent meat on marginal pasture on land too rough for cultivation of field crops.


Once upon a time all that marginal pasture land was once covered with shrubs and trees. From the perspective of healing the biosphere, we'd be much better off restoring those marginal lands to their original state and eating less beef.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 14:31:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'y')ou people worry way too fucking much. "oh no. There's a 1 in 600million chance that I might get mad cow disease. I should stop eating beef." Stop worrying so much.

I eat rare steak all the time and I don't care if I get sick. If I get sick and die, then I deserved it for having inferior genes and a weak immune system. If the bacteria/virus wins, then good for them. The victor should receive the rewards.


Yeah. I think it's a form of OCD. People are obsessed with avoiding anything that might bring them a 1 in a million chance of death. We've taken out all the predators and all the nasty epidemic diseases. Now everybody has to riot over getting flu shots so that they don't get the sniffles. It's much easier if you just accept that you're going to die and try to enjoy the ride as much as possible.

My standard for when the steaks are "done", BTW, is that they don't flinch when you poke them with a fork.


I don't get flu shots, I eat undercooked meat, I only use non-anti bacterial soap, I never use antibiotics, I eat food that I've dropped on the floor, etc... and guess what? I rarely get sick, and when I do, it just ends up being some weak ass cold that goes away in a couple of days. People should realize that it's healthy to have exposure to germs. The immune system needs practice.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby TWilliam » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 14:40:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'A')ssuming each person who consumes grassfed beef and grassfed dairy milk owns the equivalent of 1 cow/steer, then that person also has approximately 10-12 acres of deforested land dedicated just to him/her.

No wonder the earth is doomed.


Please, let's not start the "eating meat is killing the world" nonsense again. The problem isn't meat-eating. The problem is too many people. And it is largely grain agriculture and it's generation of surplus that enables populations to expand beyond the natural carrying capacity of any given area.

That's not to say that factory farming isn't an ugly approach to rearing animals for food, but it is a symptom, not the problem.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 14:51:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'Y')eah, with close to 7 billion people it doesn't work out very well.

With close to 7 billion people, nothing works well. Carnivore, omnivore, fruitarian, whatever...the planet just can't support 7 billion of us.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby billg » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 15:06:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')Please, let's not start the "eating meat is killing the world" nonsense again. The problem isn't meat-eating. The problem is too many people. And it is largely grain agriculture and it's generation of surplus that enables populations to expand beyond the natural carrying capacity of any given area.

That's not to say that factory farming isn't an ugly approach to rearing animals for food, but it is a symptom, not the problem.


I'm not going to pursue this....yes, the problem is too many people but it also too many people who consume way too many resources.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 15:24:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'I')'m not going to pursue this....yes, the problem is too many people but it also too many people who consume way too many resources.


I actually don't understand that argument. There are a certain amount of resources that can be sustainably used. The only reason that there are limits on how much we individually use is that there are too many of us. Really the "using too many resources" arguement ultimately comes down to "we need a certain number of people". If the world population were, say 60 million, they could probably all live at pretty much the American scale of consumption sustainably. I've actually come to the conclusion that reducing your resource usage is probably a bad thing because it takes off the pressure to address the root of the problem...overpopulation.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby billg » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 17:26:53

Maybe, the American scale of consumption is sustainable with only 60 million people on the globe, but it would still be a total insult to all the other co-inhabiting species.

Anyway, we have 6.65 billion people on the globe now and it's not realistic to ask them to all live like us. I can understand why the Tuvaluans are ticked off at us as the seas encroach on their livelihood.
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Re: Activist video leads to recall of 143 million lbs of bee

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 17:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'M')aybe, the American scale of consumption is sustainable with only 60 million people on the globe, but it would still be a total insult to all the other co-inhabiting species.


How do you know? Have you interview the deer? Maybe they'd rather have 60 million humans driving cars than 1 billion chasing them around with bows and arrows. :-D
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