PeakOil is You
THE Dairy Thread (merged)
Re: Milk a deadly poison? Judge for yourself
by Offshore » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 11:21:07
I refuse to put anything in my body that's not genetically modified so why would I drink milk that doesn't contain bovine growth hormone?
-
Offshore - Lignite
- Posts: 222
- Joined: Wed 22 Aug 2007, 03:00:00
Re: Milk a deadly poison? Judge for yourself
by Tyler_JC » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 12:08:44
The FDA reports that nearly 300 people became sick in 2001 after consuming raw milk and raw milk products.
FDA Report On Raw Milk
Additionally, FDA studies show that only about 10% of the vitamin content of milk is destroyed in the process of pasteurization.
I don't know about you, but the cost/benefit analysis tells me that I'm better off drinking pasteurized milk.
FDA Report On Raw Milk
Additionally, FDA studies show that only about 10% of the vitamin content of milk is destroyed in the process of pasteurization.
I don't know about you, but the cost/benefit analysis tells me that I'm better off drinking pasteurized milk.
"www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
- Tyler_JC
- Expert
- Posts: 5438
- Joined: Sat 25 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
- Location: Boston, MA
Re: Milk a deadly poison? Judge for yourself
by jboogy » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 12:21:12
Usually, shmusually Sinister . When a cow is laying there chewing her cud with a fresh flop 12 inches from her face while she squeezes out another fresh flop that just stacks up right on her asscheeks , and then stays there for another 2 hours chewing! That my friend, is a sign that she is a filthy fookin' pig. We do clean up the horse and cow crap regularly , I use it for vegetable compost. Perhaps what you meant to say was ; filthy cows are usually a symptom of THEY'RE FILTHY PIGS!
Perhaps the population would be less swayed to socialism if we had fewer examples of socialism from our "Free Market Capitalists". -----fiddler dave
-
jboogy - Heavy Crude
- Posts: 1191
- Joined: Mon 06 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
- Location: the place where smartasses dwell
Re: Milk a deadly poison? Judge for yourself
by frankthetank » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 12:53:05
I haven't drank milk in over 5 years. I haven't touched cheese or ice cream (dairy) in the same time. After finding out i was lactose intolerant and that some milk has "pus" in it, i gave it up. I never really liked milk, but i did like cheese and sometime ice cream, but i paid for it later. Now i buy organic milk in a glass bottle from a place just north of here for my wife.
The soy based ice creams are awesome. I can eat a whole container in one sitting. Its one thing they got right. "Soy Delicious" being my favorite. Soy milk isn't my thing, but you can use it in smoothies. Butter is hard to substitute, but you can try coconut oil.
The soy based ice creams are awesome. I can eat a whole container in one sitting. Its one thing they got right. "Soy Delicious" being my favorite. Soy milk isn't my thing, but you can use it in smoothies. Butter is hard to substitute, but you can try coconut oil.
lawns should be outlawed.
-
frankthetank - Light Sweet Crude
- Posts: 6202
- Joined: Thu 16 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
- Location: Southwest WI
Re: Milk a deadly poison? Judge for yourself
by jboogy » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 14:01:24
I don't know about your cows but mine shit every 10 minutes it seems , I'm supposed to stand there with a shovel ? Are you fucking dense or didn't you understand that I shoot the calves with the arrows to teach them to stay in the pasture , it works too until they forget and they need another lesson. I never said I shoot them because they shit a lot . Are you on drugs or just dyslexic ?I'll work on training my cows , you work on not being stupid , deal?
Perhaps the population would be less swayed to socialism if we had fewer examples of socialism from our "Free Market Capitalists". -----fiddler dave
-
jboogy - Heavy Crude
- Posts: 1191
- Joined: Mon 06 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
- Location: the place where smartasses dwell
Re: Milk a deadly poison? Judge for yourself
by TWilliam » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 16:13:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he FDA reports that nearly 300 people became sick in 2001 after consuming raw milk and raw milk products.
Ooo... 300 people "became sick". Meanwhile (just as a little perspective on our screwed up cultural priorities), Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDS) such as aspirin and ibuprofen account for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States every year.
NSAID Deaths
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dditionally, FDA studies show that only about 10% of the vitamin content of milk is destroyed in the process of pasteurization.
That's hardly the only issue.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he source of most commercial milk is the modern Holstein, bred to produce huge quantities of milk--three times as much as the old-fashioned cow. She needs special feed and antibiotics to keep her well. Her milk contains high levels of growth hormone from her pituitary gland, even when she is spared the indignities of genetically engineered Bovine Growth Hormone to push her to the limits of milk production.
Real feed for cows is green grass in Spring, Summer and Fall; green feed, silage, hay and root vegetables in Winter. It is not soy meal, cottonseed meal or other commercial feeds, nor is it bakery waste, chicken manure or citrus peel cake, laced with pesticides. Vital nutrients like vitamins A and D, and the "Price Factor" (a fat-soluble catalyst that promotes optimum mineral assimilation) are greatest in milk from cows eating green grass, especially rapidly growing green grass in the spring and fall. Vitamins A and D are greatly diminished, and the Price Factor disappears, when milk cows are fed commercial feed. Soy meal has the wrong protein profile for the dairy cow, resulting in a short burst of high milk production followed by premature death. Most milk (even most milk labeled "organic") comes from dairy cows that are kept in confinement their entire lives and never see green grass!
Pasteurization destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin content, denatures fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamins C, B12 and B6, kills beneficial bacteria, promotes pathogens and is associated with allergies, increased tooth decay, colic in infants, growth problems in children, osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease and cancer. Calves fed pasteurized milk do poorly and many die before maturity. Raw milk sours naturally but pasteurized milk turns putrid; processors must remove slime and pus from pasteurized milk by a process of centrifugal clarification. Inspection of dairy herds for disease is not required for pasteurized milk. Pasteurization was instituted in the 1920s to combat TB, infant diarrhea, undulant fever and other diseases caused by poor animal nutrition and dirty production methods. But times have changed and modern stainless steel tanks, milking machines, refrigerated trucks and inspection methods make pasteurization absolutely unnecessary for public protection. And pasteurization does not always kill the bacteria for Johne’s disease suspected of causing Crohn's disease in humans with which most confinement cows are infected. Much commercial milk is now ultra-pasteurized to get rid of heat-resistant bacteria and give it a longer shelf life. Ultra-pasteurization is a violent process that takes milk from a chilled temperature to above the boiling point in less than two seconds.
Homogenization is a process that breaks down butterfat globules so they do not rise to the top. Homogenized milk has been linked to heart disease.
Average butterfat content from old-fashioned cows at the turn of the century was over 4% (or more than 50% of calories). Today butterfat comprises less than 3% (or less than 35% of calories). Worse, consumers have been duped into believing that low-fat and skim milk products are good for them. Only by marketing low-fat and skim milk as a health food can the modern dairy industry get rid of its excess poor-quality, low-fat milk from modern high-production herds. Butterfat contains vitamins A and D needed for assimilation of calcium and protein in the water fraction of the milk. Without them protein and calcium are more difficult to utilize and possibly toxic. Butterfat is rich in short- and medium chain fatty acids which protect against disease and stimulate the immune system. It contains glyco-spingolipids which prevent intestinal distress and conjugated linoleic acid which has strong anticancer properties.
Powdered skim milk, a source of dangerous oxidized cholesterol and neurotoxic amino acids, is added to 1% and 2% milk. Low-fat yogurts and sour creams contain mucopolysaccharide slime to give them body. Pale butter from hay-fed cows contains colorings to make it look like vitamin-rich butter from grass-fed cows. Bioengineered enzymes are used in large-scale cheese production. Many mass produced cheeses contain additives and colorings and imitation cheese products contain vegetable oils.
Pasteurization laws favor large, industrialized dairy operations and squeeze out small farmers. When farmers have the right to sell unprocessed milk to consumers, they can make a decent living, even with small herds.
For anyone interested, this chapter from the book, The Untold Story of Milk, offers a good discussion of the issue of raw vs. pasteurized, along with some historical context (PDF file):
The Safety of Raw versus Pasteurized Milk
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
-
TWilliam - Expert
- Posts: 2591
- Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Re: Milk a deadly poison? Judge for yourself
by dukey » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 18:15:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')asteurization destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin content, denatures fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamins C, B12 and B6, kills beneficial bacteria, promotes pathogens and is associated with allergies, increased tooth decay, colic in infants, growth problems in children, osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease and cancer.
yeah pretty much, you hit the nail on the head there. I've drank unpasturised milk my entire life, never once got ill off it. Never once felt sick, stomach ache etc.
They are planning to do this to all food though. Look up codex alimentarius. Comes in globally dec 31 2009. All food must be irradiated .. all animals must have growth hormones used on them. All animals must have antibiotics used on them .. it is pure madness.
-
dukey - Intermediate Crude
- Posts: 2248
- Joined: Sun 20 Feb 2005, 04:00:00
![[smilie=XXpuke.gif]](https://udev.peakoil.com/forums/images/smilies/XXpuke.gif "XXpuke")
Probably one of the un-healthiest things you can put into your body...
