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Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby steam_cannon » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 22:28:43

Howdy all,

Today I got this flyer in the mail from a store I frequent. They are a big
chain food store that sells food and gas... And it looks like they're
trying to cover their butts as gas prices and food prices get worse..

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I clipped off the address and the back is a 5% off coupon...

Close up of articles: http://i30.tinypic.com/50h7w1.jpg
They mention biofuels stuff twice, the weak us dollar, China fuel demand...

This is the back: http://i25.tinypic.com/2rrki95.jpg

It's funny, it looks like something historic that I should frame. Or
perhaps rub it in a few peoples faces! "I told you so!" hahaha :lol:
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 22:30:22

"It's not our fault! It's not our fault!"
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby steam_cannon » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 22:37:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '"')It's not our fault! It's not our fault!"
Exactly! And the placement of the articles is interesting. The top one
suggests the government is to blame, then commodities, biofuels
twice, then at the end China! Everyone is to blame but them!
Please don't riot! :lol:
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:24:21

Yup. Its just like the gas stations ripping drivers off with overpriced gas. Get a clue you idiots. Don't worry. [s]If[/s] When it does get bad, people will start burning like its the fucking fourth of July!
lawns should be outlawed.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby FreakOil » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:43:24

I don't see this as being all that bad. The article clippings are about rising food costs. I think they're just preparing their customers for what's in store.

As far as all the blaming in the article clippings, did you seriously think they could have found article clippings where someone or something isn't blamed? The article clippings, despite the "blaming" content, are necessary because they put the rising prices in context so that people don't think they're being milked by the store.

Personally, I think this is excellent marketing.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:16:14

I'd say the rise of meat consumption in China (and the resultant increase in demand for grain), an increase in inflation pressures, and the increased use of biofuels are all partly responsible for higher food prices.

The only truly blameless party is the grocery store itself!

They have every right to inform their consumers that costs are rising and they are merely passing the costs along.

The profit margins for grocery stores are notoriously low.

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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:21:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'I') don't see this as being all that bad.
Maybe you don't, but most people just a few years ago believed
whole heartedly that prosperity would never end, no bumps in the
road, housing is going up, everything just up up up. So this would
have shocked most people just a few years ago...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'T')he article clippings are about rising food costs.
I'll just point out, they also sell gas and one of the center articles
starts with "Gas, Food Spur Inflation Jump in 2007". They chose
the articles very carefully...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'I') think they're just preparing their customers for what's in store.
Absolutely!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'A')s far as all the blaming in the article clippings, did you seriously
think they could have found article clippings where someone or
something isn't blamed?
Maybe you're trying to find difference with me, I really don't know.
But obviously there is no way to find an article that doesn't place
blame, so the action of sending news clippings is obviously all about
placing blame.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'T')he article clippings, despite the "blaming" content, are necessary
because they put the rising prices in context so that people don't
think they're being milked by the store
.
Right on target!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'P')ersonally, I think this is excellent marketing.
Yeah, no doubt!
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:29:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he only truly blameless party is the grocery store itself!
Yeah, no kidding! But it's fascinating that things are bad enough that
they feel they have to start educating their customers! I wonder what
other educational campaigns will take place as things change...
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby WildRose » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:50:06

My daughter (a reliable source, as she's 21) saw a news clip on TV yesterday which was warning about signifiicantly higher food prices this year. Apparently, it was suggested in this clip that consumers stock up on grocery products, especially those made with grains and rice, early in the year to avoid much higher prices at the end of 2008.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby FreakOil » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 05:07:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'M')aybe you don't, but most people just a few years ago believed
whole heartedly that prosperity would never end, no bumps in the
road, housing is going up, everything just up up up. So this would
have shocked most people just a few years ago...


What I meant was, I don't think the store is doing anything bad by telling people prices are going up. I can't make a moral judgement about prices going up, or people thinking that prices aren't going to up, or people getting upset because prices are going up. :-D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'I')'ll just point out, they also sell gas and one of the center articles
starts with "Gas, Food Spur Inflation Jump in 2007". They chose
the articles very carefully...


Agreed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'M')aybe you're trying to find difference with me, I really don't know.
But obviously there is no way to find an article that doesn't place
blame, so the action of sending news clippings is obviously all about
placing blame.


The news clippings lend some legitimacy to their move to raise prices, let people know that they're not just doing it to make more money. We agree on that. But there are no articles that just say "Prices Are Going Up. Period."

There's always a reason in the article, whether it's true or not is up for a debate. I don't think the store has anything to gain by customers thinking that it's the fault of the Chinese for rising prices.

Anyway, it's not worth splitting hairs over this. I can't prove that I'm right, I can only demonstrate that I might be right. You could be right.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby FreakOil » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 05:11:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he only truly blameless party is the grocery store itself!
Yeah, no kidding! But it's fascinating that things are bad enough that
they feel they have to start educating their customers! I wonder what
other educational campaigns will take place as things change...


In a consumer society, what better organization than a store to teach people about the world? :-D
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby Concerned » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 06:09:04

It looks like in 1950 there were 2.5 billion of you parasites globally. Now you maggots have grown to 6.5 billion and counting.

Last we checked there was no extra land being made, in fact you dopes continue to pave and build over farmland.

Seeing that you can't stop your rutting, here is an acceptable list things we can blame, we won't mention population growth or globalization because thats good even if it means your job, with health, decent wages and benefits is getting done for $1 per day in Chindia. We also won't mention our fractional reserve banking system and growth based economy, that digs everyone deeper into a hole each day.

Here are the usual suspects you can blame. It's all out of our control, it's not your fault, it's not our fault and you can have as many children as you want and they should all go to college and have big fat jobs and enormous homes with no children and two cars.

Here is a slap in the face next time you shop in our store, you can show everyone how poverty stricken you are by using a voucher. We also redeem food stamps.

Our quality won't go down and even when it does it won't. Thats our promise to you. Look I have a cute smile in the photo, I must be a really nice person.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby MD » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 06:42:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '.')..it was suggested in this clip that consumers stock up on grocery products, especially those made with grains and rice, early in the year to avoid much higher prices at the end of 2008.


That's a great idea! Let's encourage hoarding and make sure prices triple!
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby LoneSnark » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 09:16:04

Just glancing at the articles, it appears food inflation was higher in 1990. And since 1990 was not a big deal to my memory, it must not be a bid deal this time either.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby Chesire » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 09:29:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '.')..it was suggested in this clip that consumers stock up on grocery products, especially those made with grains and rice, early in the year to avoid much higher prices at the end of 2008.


That's a great idea! Let's encourage hoarding and make sure prices triple!


Sounds good to me. Triple food prices for about 6 months and demand destruction will bring the price right back down. The 3.5 billion poorest of the poor however are fucked.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby dorlomin » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 09:57:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'M')y daughter (a reliable source, as she's 21) saw a news clip on TV yesterday which was warning about signifiicantly higher food prices this year. Apparently, it was suggested in this clip that consumers stock up on grocery products, especially those made with grains and rice, early in the year to avoid much higher prices at the end of 2008.
This is perhaps a tad irrational or ill educated. Only canned food would justify the cost of storage vs the saving of purchasing now. Unless you are buying something like grain or rice that can be stored over a year in a dry place.

The vast bulk of the food purchased in the US is processed and stored, the majority of the costs of frozen dinners or so on will be the costs of transport, processing, storage and a premium to cover waste (food not selling and going out of date). Even veggies and the like are likely to have significant energy and transport overheads.

The likely cost increase of most foods will not reflect the raw input costs. The cost of labour for example will not likely rise quickly and the rent the factory has to recover will not significantly change.

Most Americans can make far bigger savings by small changes to there diet, less exensive processed foods.

Overall the diet we in the west east in increadibly wastefull.

Id guess that meat will be one of the first industries to feel dramatic strains of profit and rising costs, if the amount of feedstock being purchased for meat goes down the amount available to the market for biofuel and food will increase. This will be a subtle, market led change to a more vegitarian diet.

A good thing in a ham fisted way, and one meat farmers will have little love for.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 10:04:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LoneSnark', 'J')ust glancing at the articles, it appears food inflation was higher in 1990. And since 1990 was not a big deal to my memory, it must not be a bid deal this time either.


The last time I had a funny looking mole the doctor said it wasn't a big deal and cut it off.

This funny looking mole must not be a big deal either...
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 13:26:24

From the perspective of a business owner, managing your operation during a hyperinflation becomes very tricky. Your costs are going up, but even your oldest and best customers will blame you if you raise prices. Trying to "fool" your customers with smaller sizes at the same price will only backfire. You have to be up front and honest with them. My family business is experiencing this now. We've been in business for 60 years but Ben Bernanke will kill us. The key is to understand that dollars are shrinking, and to get rid of them as quickly as possible. Profit and loss calculations are done in foreign currency terms. Public relations is very important.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby WildRose » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 13:41:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '.')..it was suggested in this clip that consumers stock up on grocery products, especially those made with grains and rice, early in the year to avoid much higher prices at the end of 2008.


That's a great idea! Let's encourage hoarding and make sure prices triple!


Yeah, it makes one wonder why that would be suggested in a news clip! Imagine the ramifications of many millions of people hoarding. Ah, but only the wealthiest can do so, and there is only so much room in a freezer!

Coincidently, though, I have noticed price increases in the 20% range in some food items over the last year.
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Re: Stores covering their butts!

Unread postby BastardSquad » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 13:42:33

I've worked in the meat market of a locally owed grocery store for over 15 years,been running it for over five.I'll tell you what I can about the buisiness,and what you can/could/might do now and in the future (if/when things get really bad) to help yourself out.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')'d say the rise of meat consumption in China (and the resultant increase in demand for grain), an increase in inflation pressures, and the increased use of biofuels are all partly responsible for higher food prices.


There are so many factors that affect the price of meat it's insane.

A few years back meat prices jumped almost over night,many of my customers were irate,at which point I calmly explained to them it's not our fault and that we are in no way increasing our profits by raising our prices.

I would ask "did you hear about the mad scare cow in England?"

"Oh sure,but that's England!We have plenty of healthy cattle here in the states!"

"And did you see the bit about the hoof and mouth outbreak in Argentina?"

"Yeah,but that still doesn't explain why American beef would go up!"

In both cases Argentina and England were forced to annihilate their entire herds and start from scratch!Beef (meat in general) is an internationally traded commodity and will be sold to the highest bidder no matter what country they are in.

Here lately,on an almost daily basis I have to explain the trickle down affects of higher fuel costs (I never mention PO).I explain that the cost of fuel increases the costs of the farmer/rancher which is then passed on to the packers,who also have their own cost increases,on top of the increases from the farmer/rancher,which are then passed on to the warehouses who are already struggling with their own fuel related problems,which of course get passed on to the grocer who in turn must raise prices to stay in business.

I also explain the effect ethanol from feeder corn is having on the market-"whatever money is being saved at the pump is more than made up for at the meat counter."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', ' ')The only truly blameless party is the grocery store itself!

They have every right to inform their consumers that costs are rising and they are merely passing the costs along.


Thank you,we do the best we can.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he profit margins for grocery stores are notoriously low.


Most people don't believe me when I tell them we often lose money on sale items,it's not uncommon for us to sell meat for a few cents a pound less than what we paid for it (Thanksgiving turkeys are a market managers worst nightmare!Nobody wants to be the highest in town,the throat cutting between stores on this item is beyond the scope of imagination!!!).The idea behind this is that people will spend enough money on non sale items throughout the store to offset the losses in order to keep the lights on for another month.

At the beginning of this post I mentioned giving some tips on how you can help yourself out.I just looked at the clock and it's later than I realized.This is my first day off in almost two weeks and I have a million things to do,I'll try follow up this post tonight or tomorrow if I can.

I'll leave you with this-

If you are a kind and polite person,I don't care how old or young you are,whether you are black,white,or any shade in between,or what your sexual orientation is,I will go out of my way to help you out any way I can and try to save you a few bucks whenever possible.

By the same token,if you are a total and complete jerk,I may still be polite(service with a smile),but don't expect me to go out of my way to do you any special favors or try to save you any money.
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