$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '
')But you are very wrong if you think the great depression compares to the Soviet Collapse. Think about it this way, our government didn't fold during the great depression.
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Re: Oil sands extraction without using water + using less en
by jbeckton » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 02:00:13
Tell that to the residents of "Hooverville".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '
')Maybe you don't think the life of my family members in the soviet union was bad enough for me to call it doom.
Where did I say it wasn't your definition of doom? I said it wasn't the boards’ consensus of doom. You misstated my position, work on that.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '
') But I'm familiar with the history of the great depression and the soviet collapse. And for many reasons they are a bad comparison.
As far as the average Joe in Hooverville was concerned, how so? The conditions you describe:
-Losing all your money (and house)
-Food lines
-Paying people with bottles of vodka or other goods
-Being forced to grow your own vegetables
-Frequently dealing with the mob (or other criminals)
are all pretty much synonymous with the Great Depression you claim to know so much about.
You are far off topic, I made reference to the fact that Russia is an example of a modern nation that has willingly allowed its economy and population to deplete while there is a solution, hence willingly .
You can go on and on about the Russians plight which I acknowledge, but you can't convince me that Russia is the “Armageddon” we hear so much about on PO.com.
Where is the massive die-off?
Where are the zombies?
Where are the resource wars?
Why are the people with bunkers not the only ones left standing?
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Re: Oil sands extraction without using water + using less en
by peripato » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 08:31:32
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', '
')no nation would ever willingly allow its population or economic activity to cease
')no nation would ever willingly allow its population or economic activity to cease
No?
Perhaps you failed to look into the example I provided before: Russia
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ussia is facing a demographic crisis so dire that its population could shrink by half within 50 years. The only obvious solution – to encourage youthful immigrants from overpopulated Asian neighbors such as China – is so politically sensitive that Russian leaders refuse to even discuss it.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0418/p06s02-woeu.html
There you have it, a developed nation with declining population and economic activity, AND and obvious solution that they refuse to accept.
Again, what is your definition of willing?
The definition of willing => doing something voluntarily, as in; "No developed nation has ever voluntarily agreed to end population or economic growth."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he crisis and government measures to halt it was a key subject of Vladimir Putin's 2006 state of the nation address.[4]. As a result, a national programme was developed to reverse the trend by 2020. Already a new study published in 2007 shows that, on the whole, the rate of population decrease has slowed: thus, if the net decrease in January-Agust 2006 was 408,200 people, this year in the same period it was 196,600. The death rate accounted for 357,000 of these, which is 137,000 less than in 2006. At the same time in the 2007 period, there were just over 1 million births in Russia (981,600 in the 2006 period), whilst deaths decreased from 1,475,000 to 1,402,300. In all the death:birth ratio dropped from 1.5 to 1.3. Eighteen of the 83 provinces showed a natural growth of population (in 2006: 16). The Russian Ministry of Economic Development hopes that by 2020 the population will stabilize at 138-139 million, and by 2025, to increase again to its present day status of 143-145, raising the life expectancy to 75 years. [5]
Reference
So, as mentioned, Russia, as a developed country, will do whatever it can to continue with population growth. Immigration is not the only solution to that problem, although it certainly provides an immediate stimulus. A third child policy and better health facilities (to lower the death rate), fiscal incentives for repatriation (immigration) of Russians from outside the old Soviet Union are other strategies that could be applied, and have been similarly applied by other countries (e.g. Israel, Australia) to boost their populations.
