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Do you torrent music, movies or software much?

Never heard of it
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I'm afraid to do it (viruses!)
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I'm afraid to do it (da Man gonna get me!)
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Once in a while
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Frequently
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It's pretty much an everyday thing
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby Narz » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 11:05:53

They closed demonoid.com. :(
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 13:20:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'T')hey can't. It's a business decision. As long as the cost to increase bandwidth is less than the cost to do content filtering P2P will go on.


I dunno that it would be that hard. As I understand it all the ISP would have to do is set their router to drop any packets addressed to TCP ports 6881 through 6999. AFAIK theres no other service that commonly uses those ports.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby kabu » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 13:30:40

If that's what your ISP's doing then just go into Azureus or whatever and switch up yer ports.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 13:44:43

Looks like the answer to my question is that ISPs are doing that and the torrenters are responding by jumping ports.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')SPs have been increasingly reducing the available bandwidth for P2P users on the standard file-sharing port ranges. You may find you need to keep changing your port on a regular basis. This is normal, and a port change should sort you out if this is indeed what is happening.


Source: http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Po ... lacklisted
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 16:00:00

it's not that difficult to check packets as they go by as to their content. So you could filter bittorrent packets easy enough. I don't know how expensive the hardware is going to be but I remember hearing about it a few years back so it should be available by now.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby CarnbY » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 16:25:55

If one ISP were to start blocking pirated data (to put it in simple terms) everyone would just switch to an ISP that doesn't, and nobody wants to lose business...
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 16:31:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'i')t's not that difficult to check packets as they go by as to their content. So you could filter bittorrent packets easy enough. I don't know how expensive the hardware is going to be but I remember hearing about it a few years back so it should be available by now.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 18:39:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 't')he wife and daughter burn CD's every weekend.
Oh no, he's found a way to copy! 8O

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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby Daculling » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 21:48:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'i')t's not that difficult to check packets as they go by as to their content. So you could filter bittorrent packets easy enough. I don't know how expensive the hardware is going to be but I remember hearing about it a few years back so it should be available by now.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection


And the beat goes on....

http://torrentfreak.com/encrypting-bittorrent-to-take-out-traffic-shapers/

Over the past months more BitTorrent users noticed that their ISP is killing all BitTorrent traffic . ISP’s like Rogers are using bit-shaping applications to throttle the traffic that is generated by BitTorrent.
But, at the same time two of the most popular BitTorrent clients are working together to implement header and message stream encryption in order to take out these traffic shapers.


Try and stop them. They are the same brightest people that work for the corps. It's a no go. You really want to stop this? Ban encrypted traffic on the interwebs and require authentication for access the interwebs through your Government pardoned (in respect to wiretaps) ISP. Use your RealID as required two factor authentication. Nuke'em from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Scary huh?
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 21:55:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'Y')ou really want to stop this?


I don't so much care, but I do think it's annoying that I have to pay more for internet service to subsidize all the morons wasting bandwidth swapping Paris Hilton videos. It irks me in the same way as someone that runs the copier out of toner by making a thousand copies of their butt or steals all the paper clips in the office because they think that's really going to stick it to the man.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby Daculling » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 00:02:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'Y')ou really want to stop this?


I don't so much care, but I do think it's annoying that I have to pay more for internet service to subsidize all the morons wasting bandwidth swapping Paris Hilton videos. It irks me in the same way as someone that runs the copier out of toner by making a thousand copies of their butt or steals all the paper clips in the office because they think that's really going to stick it to the man.


Maybe you can recoup your lose by canceling your cable service (If you have that) and join us... not to go John Gault on you or anything. :)
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 00:12:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'M')aybe you can recoup your lose by canceling your cable service (If you have that) and join us... not to go John Gault on you or anything. :)


Cable service? I don't even have a television. At home I don't have phone or internet either. I do pay for DSL at my office though.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby gampy » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 00:33:34

I am in the "sometimes / occasionally" camp. Mostly porn, and some music, occasional software. Not too worried about getting hassled for downloading copyrighted porn. It's hard / impossible to prosecute file sharing in Canada.

My own opinion is that intellectual property, copyright, and piracy issues are a very gray area. I think the paradigm and notion of intellectual property needs to change. People need to realize that the genie is out of the bottle. Record companies, film studios, and other producers of traditional media (CD's, DVD's, and other hard media) need to change their business model, or look at getting out of the business of selling hard media. Movies will always do well, because people like to gather in a large theater, and view films with other people. The music business is beginning to see that the revenues are shifting to live performance. People don't buy CD's anymore. These entities are dinosaurs and will go the way of such. Just a fact of life, nothing can be done really. They can bust a few folks in the hope of creating a deterrence, but it's a lost cause. EMI, and the other majors are in a serious pickle and will need to change their business model to survive.

A lot of bands are starting to look at their recordings as advertising for their live performances. Instead of how it used to be, touring was a way to drum up record sales. Which is actually better for artists. Most musicians make their dough from performing live, not record sales. It's the middle men who stand to lose in this new era.

Regardless, there are copyright laws on the books, so sharing someone's copyrighted work is technically wrong. Technically being the key word. Morally? Ethically? I am not so sure.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby gampy » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 00:54:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 't')here are very very few legit reasons to need these new ultra high bandwidth connections that ISP's are pushing these days. The lite version of a cable connection up here would still be more then fast enough for web surfing, email and sharing pictures with relatives.

The X-treme connection is way faster then what I currently have and it has way more up and down each month. frankly without piracy we'd mostly still be on dialup.

Also remember that a huge percentage of that bittorrent data is porn. The internet's first killer app.


Aye, I used to have what they sold as "hi-speed" internet, but it wasn't too "hi". I have the lite version, and is pretty much just as good, and more consistent for 25 bucks a month.

Speaking of porn, you do understand that the porn biz has been the driving force in all, and I mean ALL new media technology. Betamax lost to VHS because the porn biz chose it as it's format of choice.

Nearly all video on demand, and streaming technology was pioneered by, and for, porn. Lol.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 08:39:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'Y')ou really want to stop this?


I don't so much care, but I do think it's annoying that I have to pay more for internet service to subsidize all the morons wasting bandwidth swapping Paris Hilton videos. It irks me in the same way as someone that runs the copier out of toner by making a thousand copies of their butt or steals all the paper clips in the office because they think that's really going to stick it to the man.


You have it backwards, learn how the market works. You have acces to cheaper broadband because everyone needs it for torrents. Economy of scale. Remember how expensive DSL was back when everyone was content with dial-up at home...

So it looks like the pirates are subsidizing you :P
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 08:48:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'I') am in the "sometimes / occasionally" camp. Mostly porn


i knew i saw that avatar before... fileporn.org? :lol:
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby Schadenfreude » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 12:09:30

Amazing! I was just able to torrent Wolram's Mathematica6.

Wish I'd had it years ago when I was studying Calculus and Ord Diff and all that.

Looks like so much fun, I just might pick up a math text just so I can fool with the equations in it.
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby gampy » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 15:13:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', 'I') am in the "sometimes / occasionally" camp. Mostly porn


i knew i saw that avatar before... fileporn.org? :lol:


Nah, not me. Dr. Rockso must be popular though.

I get most of my stuff from here:

http://www.puretna.com/
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby davep » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 15:37:39

It's quite common for ISPs to throttle P2P traffic, as a few links upthread show.

However, if you're determined, it's also quite easy to get round it.

If you can get access via an SSH session to a computer that doesn't have throttling, you can send and receive your data via an encrypted protocol. It's the other server that sends out the P2P traffic. The ISPs routers shouldn't be throttling SSH traffic, so you can get full-speed access.

When I finally get ADSL installed in this godforsaken rural hellhole, I've already got an SSH server set up in another jurisdiction for just that purpose :-D
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Re: The Pirates Can't Be Stopped

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 20:08:18

Something amusing...

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