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Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 02:31:25

Republican Senator John McCain recently tabled a proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards. It is well known that McCain has a distaste for his blogosphere critics, causing a definite conflict of interest where any proposal to restrict blogs on his part is concerned.

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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 07:53:31

Remember, this is a very vindictive person who was tortured for years. I respect what he did and am saddend by what he experienced, but I don't want someone who was tortured for years and may lack mental ballance as a result in charge of the worlds second largest nuclear arsenal.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby NWMossBack » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 13:33:35

The best hope to prevent a McCain presidency is to help Obama win the primary. I think he has a decent shot at bringing in young voters who usually sit on their hands, and swaying some moderates away from the dark side. Hillary is too polarizing. And creepy.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 13:38:24

Compared to the others, yes.

Not saying this personally, I'd rather elect Ron Paul. But given that horrible Hillary-thing, Osama-bama Hussein, and a guy who at least has walked away from most of his landings and has confessed that he "hates gooks", I think McCain's got it in the bag. He's a horrible candidate, but the others are grotesque.

And most of the country hates gooks too, except the gooks lol. It's supposed to be a flap but I think mcCain's earned himself a few points here.

And just thought of this now, do you guys know that outside of the latte' sipping areas, which are small, you can still see the POW-MIA flag flown in any neighborhood? It sees plenty of "air time" around here.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 14:11:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'R')epublican Senator John McCain recently tabled a proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs


Seems you are misunderstanding the verb "tabled". To "table" a piece of legislation (technically to "lay on the table") is to put it aside and not act on it. In theory you can take it back up from the table at any time, but generally when legislation gets tabled that means it's dead.

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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 16:12:16

McCain-too old (72 now, would be 73 at signing in, 77 at end of term), too crippled (can't even comb his own hair, according to CNN), too in favor of Bush's deeds, likes the war (hhmm.. thinking of finally getting revenge??), and some concern over who running mate would be-considering that there's a good possibility he could die or become incapacitated during term.
Obama--too young, almost no political experience, not enough life experience, and when he speaks publicly, he waffles between the gospel preacher style and the rosy glasses style. Never says anything-no details, just whining about what others have done and all the goodies he thinks he will automatically put into place once he makes it to the Oval Office.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 16:52:57

Historically, the way a President "looked" as a candidate has had little or no bearing on how good a President he turned out to be.

Thus, I think that whether McCain is or is not a good President (assuming he is elected) will have little to do with how old he is, whether he hates gooks, whether he can comb his hair, or whether he has a temper.

Richard Nixon should have been a great President, based upon experience(Nixon was also highly intelligent, unlike some other recent Presidents). On the other hand, there was little to indicate that Abraham Lincoln would make a great President (assuming you think he was, in fact, a great President).

Theodore Roosevelt never could have been elected on his own. Had he not come to office as a result of McKinley's assassination, we never would have known what kind of President he would make.

Gerald Ford was actually a very good President, and he NEVER would have been elected on his own.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 16:59:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'M')cCain-too old (72 now, would be 73 at signing in, 77 at end of term), too crippled (can't even comb his own hair, according to CNN), too in favor of Bush's deeds, likes the war (hhmm.. thinking of finally getting revenge??), and some concern over who running mate would be-considering that there's a good possibility he could die or become incapacitated during term.


Precisely why some of us want to see a mcCain-Paul ticket, run with Paul for Veep, good chance we get Paul for Pres.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 18:10:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'M')cCain-too old (72 now, would be 73 at signing in, 77 at end of term), too crippled (can't even comb his own hair, according to CNN), too in favor of Bush's deeds, likes the war (hhmm.. thinking of finally getting revenge??), and some concern over who running mate would be-considering that there's a good possibility he could die or become incapacitated during term.


Precisely why some of us want to see a mcCain-Paul ticket, run with Paul for Veep, good chance we get Paul for Pres.


It would never happen, they always pair themselves with someone from a different region of the country and an Arizona/Texas ticket would not qualify. Nor would Arizona/Arkansas. Now a Mass/Ark or Mass/Tex or Mass/Arizona ticket, sure. Maybe even a CA/TX or CA/AR ticket, but neither Paul nor Huckabee would be the lead candidate so Duncan Hunter of CA is probably out of the running for Veep.

On the Dem side Il/NY is out just as surely as Az/Tx so you won't see Hillary and Obama together. Thats why Johnny stayed in so long, being from SC he could partner with either of the other two to attract regional votes. It appears this isn't such a big deal for Obama, but for Hillary it could be critical.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 22:42:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'R')emember, this is a very vindictive person who was tortured for years. I respect what he did and am saddend by what he experienced, but I don't want someone who was tortured for years and may lack mental ballance as a result in charge of the worlds second largest nuclear arsenal.

This is the way I see it also.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 22:43:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'M')cCain-too old (72 now, would be 73 at signing in, 77 at end of term), too crippled (can't even comb his own hair, according to CNN), too in favor of Bush's deeds, likes the war (hhmm.. thinking of finally getting revenge??), and some concern over who running mate would be-considering that there's a good possibility he could die or become incapacitated during term.


Precisely why some of us want to see a mcCain-Paul ticket, run with Paul for Veep, good chance we get Paul for Pres.


It would never happen, they always pair themselves with someone from a different region of the country and an Arizona/Texas ticket would not qualify. Nor would Arizona/Arkansas. Now a Mass/Ark or Mass/Tex or Mass/Arizona ticket, sure. Maybe even a CA/TX or CA/AR ticket, but neither Paul nor Huckabee would be the lead candidate so Duncan Hunter of CA is probably out of the running for Veep.

On the Dem side Il/NY is out just as surely as Az/Tx so you won't see Hillary and Obama together. Thats why Johnny stayed in so long, being from SC he could partner with either of the other two to attract regional votes. It appears this isn't such a big deal for Obama, but for Hillary it could be critical.


Keep your eye on Rick Perry from Texas (Governor). He is a total empty suit, but he's nice looking and gives a good speech. We are likely to see more of him. I could see him as a VP on a Republican ticket. He's like Dan Quayle, except he doesn't look as confused.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 02 Feb 2008, 22:58:50

On the republican side I wouldn't be surprised to see if Pawlenty (R Gov of MN) might be on the ticket. The midwest works regionally. He is one of those new faces on the block and recently won re-election under a hard challenge in a hard year for Republicans, all the while governing a blue state. He could throw the whole upper midwest into play (or at least Minnesota/Wisconsin) which almost went Republican the last two Presidential election cycles.

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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 01:35:35

<i>Seems you are misunderstanding the verb "tabled".</i>

Actually I have misunderstood nothing. McCain <b>Introduced</b> legislation "that would treat blogs like Internet service providers and hold them responsible for all activity in the comments sections and user profiles."

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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby auscanman » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 02:21:09

McCain would be the scariest option for sure IMO. In the last debate he pretty much said that his military experience is the only thing that matters, and brushed off the economy as an issue.

He'd be more of a pseudo military dictator than a president. I could see him micro-managing the details in Iraq, and the subsequent wars there would undoubtedly be under his rule... and being extremely ruthless. There's some definite bloodlust in him, which he barely manages to keep concealed. McCain also lays a lot of hits below the belt in debates, especially to Romney, and seems to have no qualms with making patently false accusations. To sum it up: A nasty character!

At this point, with the tanking of the US economy looking unavoidable, at least there will only be a limited amount of further damage he will be able to inflict with his lack of experience (or care) about the economy.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 07:06:37

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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby azreal60 » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 13:47:37

Interestingly enough, I think the comments on Obama's experience are quite misleading. The man has been an elected official longer than Hillary has.

The real thing though that I see in Obama is his ability to bring new voters to the table so to speak. If we don't have new voters, hell, we might as well just rerun the last few elections. The reason the results are so silly is because it's the same freaking people fighting the same fights. That's what you get with Hillary. I don't want to really re-fight the last 16 years of politics thank you. I'd like to have something new.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 14:01:28

Speaking of that article.. Every generation it is something new.

For the 20's it was the radio and how it was a breeding ground for unamerican values, 1950's it was tv, mcarthyism and unamerican activities. 70's it was that god damn rock music that was poisoning the minds of the youth. In 20, 30 years we will all be complaining about how the kids are becoming more unamerican and that the values we once treasured are all gone.

The simple fact is, as you get older you begin to become more uncomfortable with change and you don't understand what the younger generation is doing.

No matter what ... fear will always control us and make us want to control what is going on. But guess what, we always lose. Change is enevitable, it can't be help. But nothing under the sun is actually ever new.
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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby FoolYap » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 14:42:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '1')950's it was tv, mcarthyism and unamerican activities. 70's it was that god damn rock music that was poisoning the minds of the youth.


That goddamn rock music started poisoning the minds of youth in the 1950s, my friend. 8)

It took ClearChannel and MTV in the 1980s/1990s to give the minds of youth a full-up frontal lobotomy. :roll:

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Re: Is this the man you want to be President?

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 14:56:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '1')950's it was tv, mcarthyism and unamerican activities. 70's it was that god damn rock music that was poisoning the minds of the youth.


That goddamn rock music started poisoning the minds of youth in the 1950s, my friend. 8)

It took ClearChannel and MTV in the 1980s/1990s to give the minds of youth a full-up frontal lobotomy. :roll:

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That shit wasn't rock music. You may be old, but if you listen to that shit nowadays it just sounds like upbeat country music
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