[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SheikYarbhouti', '
')Quick question: If non-doomers such as Oil-Finder and JD really believe what they say, that peak oil is either decades away or a non-issue, or both... why spend so much time on peak oil sites getting in arguments? What is the payoff?

[Ferretlover]

Toe to Heel Injection: By all means, extract that oil faster and faster and let us be done with it!
One of these days those people are going to set the wrong thing on fire....

[SheikYarbhouti]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SheikYarbhouti', '
')Quick question: If non-doomers such as Oil-Finder and JD really believe what they say, that peak oil is either decades away or a non-issue, or both... why spend so much time on peak oil sites getting in arguments? What is the payoff?

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SheikYarbhouti', '
')Quick question: If non-doomers such as Oil-Finder and JD really believe what they say, that peak oil is either decades away or a non-issue, or both... why spend so much time on peak oil sites getting in arguments? What is the payoff?

[dbruning]

"Quick question: If non-doomers such as Oil-Finder and JD really believe what they say, that peak oil is either decades away or a non-issue, or both... why spend so much time on peak oil sites getting in arguments? What is the payoff? "

I'm in the camp of those that expect serious change to be happening in the world in the next few decades. I don't really care to preach the sky is falling, nor to be preached at. My opinions are my own and I will change them when I feel it is justified.

I spend time on this site because it's nice to talk with people that may be struggling with the same conclusions I have arrived at, or may have ideas on how to deal with certain problems, etc.

Also, many of the people here who post news events tend to do so days in advance of the other forms of media. Of course sometimes you need to verfiy the accuracy of the information they are reporting, but I consider that a tradeoff that is well worth the effort.

You may be assured I am not on here to convince anyone of anything, after all, we're on this site because we're aware of the problems.

As a side note, I would think those proclaiming the future problems of peak oil should be allowed to get their word in more often.

Why?

This is their site after all. If I wanted to go proclaim all will be well forever, I'd go over to http://www.consumerstogetfreesexiftheyu ... ptionby100%.com

my 2 cents.

[TheDude]

Amusing that a discussion of a technology employing controlled fire would degenerate into an out-of-control flame war!



JBeckton - "conversate"? Reminds me of a character in a B Movie who asked someone if they were being "ironical."

It's Toe-to-Heel Air Injection. Man, these typos are going to make me loose my mind!

I've put in an inordinate amount of time countering O-F and JD, just to set the record straight. Learned a lot in the process so it was worth it to me.

What we need is a topic - or another section - or another site - laying out Cons and Pros of these technologies. THAI has potential - jacking up the URR and the flow rate, revitalizing dead wells, opening up tar and heavy oil without the current regime of environmental destruction and resource consumption. Its negatives - untested, expensive well costs, and potential for out-of-control burns, like the coal fires in places like Centralia, Pennsylvania, whose burn has been going on for 45 years now, rendering the town uninhabitable.

Wouldn't it be dandy not to have to cover this ground over and over? Wouldn't it save a lot of time?

O-F - Pay heed to steam_cannon's advice about Searches. I keep bookmarks handy for doing Google searches of sites I frequent on my Bookmarks Toolbar, so they're only a push of a button away. For forums I also include the keyword "Forum" so I don't get hits on news items etc. The site search here is a little more sophisticated than Google's but can take longer (not of late thank the Lord).

Alright, flame on.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SheikYarbhouti', 'R')e: Trolling

Quick question: If non-doomers such as Oil-Finder and JD really believe what they say, that peak oil is either decades away or a non-issue, or both... why spend so much time on peak oil sites getting in arguments?

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'I')t's Toe-to-Heel Air Injection. Man, these typos are going to make me loose my mind!

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'T')oe to Heel Injection: By all means, extract that oil faster and faster and let us be done with it!
One of these days those people are going to set the wrong thing on fire....

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SheikYarbhouti', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SheikYarbhouti', '
')Quick question: If non-doomers such as Oil-Finder and JD really believe what they say, that peak oil is either decades away or a non-issue, or both... why spend so much time on peak oil sites getting in arguments? What is the payoff?

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '
')JBeckton - "conversate"? Reminds me of a character in a B Movie who asked someone if they were being "ironical."

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'A')musing that a discussion of a technology employing controlled fire would degenerate into an out-of-control flame war!

[Lanthanide]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil-Finder', 'D')ude, I said it before and I will say it again: I might be new to this forum, but I have been debating and studying these issues for years. In fact, I was educated as a sort-of environmentalist (an urban planner) and believed in limits of growth and all that sort of thing for a very long time. To make a long story short, my transformation came about the exact same way, and for the exact same reason as Bjorn Lomborg.

Your own bias is blantant: You dislike technology, don't trust it, and don't think it ultimately works. This is why you constantly mock people who place any faith in it. This is why you don't believe the technology which is the topic of this thread will work either. And when myself or someone else (in the other thread on this topic) tell you that, yes, in fact it does work and works just fine, and that it almost certainly has a nicely positive EROEI, and seems to be very promising, you scoff at them, call them a techno-lover or some other name. When someone tells you that oil sands have been profitable for years, and currently continue to be profitable, you make up all sorts of excuses as to why these profits are illusory. In brief, any time someone points out that a technology works, you go into denial and the insult machine starts. But I'm sorry to inform you: Technology can - and frequently does - solve problems. The fact that you are discussing these issues on a computer, posting things over a network spanning the globe, is but one piece of evidence that technology works. I'm sorry if it does not appeal to your aesthetic sensibilities, you'll just have to get used to it.

[Blacksmith]

Buy Petrobank (PBG-T) very reasonable right now.

[peripato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lanthanide', 'I') haven't been around this site for very long, but I have to agree with everything that Oil-Finder has said here.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '
')JBeckton - "conversate"? Reminds me of a character in a B Movie who asked someone if they were being "ironical."

[Oil-Finder]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', '
')You're wrong Pal - we're not against technology per se. The issue we have is that technology can never solve the problems generated by perpetual economic and population growth.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil-Finder', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', 'T')HE OTHER ISSUE WE HAVE IS THAT ORGAN-GRINDER IS AN IGNORANT TROLL!

[peripato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oil-Finder', 'p')eripato wrote:

You're wrong Pal - we're not against technology per se. The issue we have is that technology can never solve the problems generated by perpetual economic and population growth.

Wrong. It can, and it frequently does.