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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 19:18:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude Oil 91.02
HO 2.527
RBOB 2.33

Margin 10.39782 $/bbl
Margin 0.247567143 Cents/gal


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')an 28 (Reuters) - Credit Suisse upgraded U.S. independent
refiners to "neutral" from "underweight," saying the sector
looks more sensibly priced than it has for several months.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he brokerage said it compared current price-to-earnings
multiples under several economic scenarios against the recent
historic levels and concluded that the refining sector is now
pricing in at least a mild U.S. recession case.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')eading into Memorial Day I recommend getting long the refiners, says Terranova. I think investors gave up on the gas crack, but I don’t understand why because on January 14th Tesoro
Tesoro Corp
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came out and said they were going to cut runs – in other words they’re not going to make as much of the product."

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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 29 Jan 2008, 16:54:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (AP) -- Shares of Valero Energy Corp. jumped Tuesday morning after the refiner posted fourth-quarter profit that widely beat Wall Street's estimates despite falling by about 50 percent on high crude-oil prices.


The stock rose $4.96, or 9 percent, to $59.86 after the opening bell.



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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rontier Oil Corp. led the refining sector higher on Tuesday after a Goldman Sachs analyst upgraded its shares, saying improved margins will help the stock over the short term.

Frontier shares rose $4.69, or 14.6 percent, to $36.79 in morning trading.


Goldman analyst Arjun Murti lifted his rating on Frontier to "Buy" from "Neutral" and added the company to the Americas Conviction Buy List and the Americas Buy List. Seasonal recovery in refining margins combined with Frontier's exposure to Canadian light-heavy crude-oil spreads support Murti's bullish view.



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TSO back over 41 as we write.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby Mechler » Tue 29 Jan 2008, 19:12:43

WNR up 14% today...almost where I bought it. However, I knew going in that there would be some rough patches. Hopefully the refiners will go up from here on out.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 29 Jan 2008, 19:35:19

Well, we did not know at the time exactly how to play it. I guess in this environment, the analysts want to see the earnings.

Hopefully, those who did not panic and bail out a couple of weeks ago will be eventually rewarded, although with bitten fingernails and a few more grey hairs.

I had a theory for awhile that you should go long on the refiners when the unleaded price is roughly the same as the diesel price. Reason: It's an indicator that Unleaded demand is picking up for summer. However, since the RBOB contract came into being, there are only two data points, February 20, 2007 and February 28, 2006, and these dates were a little too late, you would have missed out on the bottom. Also there was a false signal in January of 2006.

But, there might be some rule of thumb that can be developed that comes to the same.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 11:56:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude Oil 92.27
HO 2.5596
RBOB 2.3418

Ref Margin 11.2997 $/bbl
Ref Margin 0.2690 Cents/Gal


We are up over 11 for the first time in a long time.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he oil refiners saw a monster run in Tuesday's trading, all while crude closed at its highest level in two weeks. Is it time to think about taking profits?

Karen Finerman thinks so. With the oil markets so volatile, and the crack spread moving quicker than ever, she unloaded 75% of her position in the refiners over the last few days.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')uy Adami would buy Tesoro
Tesoro Corp
TSO

41.537 0.487 +1.19%

[TSO 41.537 0.487 (+1.19%) ] on Valero’s
strong earnings. TSO might still have room to run higher, he said. And the valuations are too attractive to ignore.


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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby Starvid » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 12:56:44

Analysts work for banks who are interested not in helping their customers but in maximising liquidity as they get a fee for every trade.

They want lots of trading.

Buy means hold, hold means sell and sell means mega-sell.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 17:22:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hares of Tesoro Corp. fell Thursday after the company reported a fourth-quarter loss due to lower refining margins driven by higher costs.

The refiner's stock dropped $1.79, or 4.4 percent, to $38.61 in afternoon trading.

Tesoro's earnings were hurt by unscheduled maintenance and repairs at its Hawaii refinery and its inability to offset higher crude oil prices onto consumers.

Citigroup analyst Doug Leggate took another view, saying Tesoro's prospects "look brighter" and that West Coast margins will start strengthening.

"We expect margins to strengthen further as the quarter progresses, and provide the catalyst for Tesoro to recover from here," Leggate wrote in a note Thursday. He reiterated a "Buy" rating on the stock, saying share-price weakness is a buying opportunity.




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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') HOUSTON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Independent western U.S. refiner Tesoro Corp (TSO.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Thursday total throughput from its seven U.S. refineries was expected to range between 540,000 and 600,000 barrels per day (bpd) in the first quarter of 2008.

The seven refineries have a combined throughput of 660,000 bpd. Tesoro said on Jan. 14, total throughput would range between 545,000 bpd and 595,000 bpd in the first quarter.


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The second article is kind of interesting. It confirms that the crew at Tesoro just cannot get excited about running the reactor. The numbers they are talking about are roughly 80% of capacity.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')an 29 (Reuters) - Leading independent U.S. refiner Valero Energy Corp (VLO.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said Tuesday combined throughput from its U.S. refineries in 2008's first quarter would fall about 400,000 barrels per day (bpd) below 3.1 million bpd capacity.



Reuters via Yahoo

We got this announcement the other day from Valero, which suggest about 85% utilization.

So these guys are clearly going to try to increase their own refinery margins, by taking an occasional Friday off, and shooting golf or something instead of trying to make unleaded and not making any money at it. I am sure they hope the crude oil price will come down a little as a bonus.

This part of the strategy may backfire on them, if the market keeps doing what it is doing, and we will be paying even more for unleaded this spring.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 01 Feb 2008, 14:42:42

Gotta update after the big move today:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Crude Oil 89.17
HO 2.4601
RBOB 2.2902

Ref Margin 11.0858 $/bbl
Ref Margin 0.2639 Cents/Gal


Still over 11.

Maybe some of this refinery slowdown is having a noticeable effect already.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby qwanta » Fri 01 Feb 2008, 17:49:34

FWIW Jim Puplava of financialsense.com took a position in Tesoro in 4Q 2007 of about $2,000,000 (~0.8% of total holdings of Puplava Securities). He closed out his Valero position (~$400,000) though.

I mention this, because I like to think he knows what he's doing. :)
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 01 Feb 2008, 19:53:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e closed out his Valero position


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')alero is disposing of those refineries that need to be upgraded to handle heavy sour crude," Gheit said. "Valero will be a company with strictly heavy, sour crude refineries. If you want to hit a bull's eye, this is where you should go. It's where the money is made and where the future is. Anything else is a diluted version of the pure play.
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From earlier in this thread.

Valero is a bit of a different company. It has some retail, some natural gas, and the refinery operation. They are going to spend a lot of money to retrofit their plants to take heavy crude, which in the long term will help them. Interestingly, we did the original analysis on refinery margin, and these guys were a little better than Tesoro.

The 10Q's for these companies have not all come out yet for the recent quarter but here is the tally so far for refinery margins:

TSO 8.28
VLO 9.20
FTO ?
WNR ?
HOC ?

I think the last three will come out in the next week or so.

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We did this graph awhile back for the refinery margins in the 4th quarter, based on the little spreasheet I use for the updates. It looks like the calculation is pretty well calibrated for TSO and VLO. Maybe about $9 per barrel is right.

HOC and WNR will be a couple of bucks higher, and FTO higher still because they can use nastier crude.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby qwanta » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 13:01:11

Came across this citigroup report which I think agrees quite closely with your assessment of the sector:

https://www.citigroupgeo.com/pdf/SNA13775.pdf

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccounting for net debt of $1.44bn, our base case valuation for TSO yields a total NAV for TSO of around $9.0bn and would imply a net equity value of $65 per share.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter adjustment for net debt of $3.8bn, our base case valuation for VLO —consisting of what we believe is a conservative assessment of incremental organic project value that will become tangible in the coming year and significant share repurchases reflecting the recent $6bn program — yields a net asset value for VLO of around $45.0bn and implies a net equity value of $84 per share.

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TSO: $35
VLO: $56
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 17:41:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')oughly 63, give or take, when the market wakes up to what is happening.


Hey, you're right.

I always get a little worried when I start agreeing with the pesky analysts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude Oil 87.95
HO 2.4551
RBOB 2.2646

Ref Margin 11.7238 $/bbl
Ref Margin 0.2791 Cents/Gal


As the crude price slides, the unleaded price slides less, refinery margins back up near 12.

Remember what I said about the unleaded price being about the same as the diesel price.

Edit:

After reading this 34-page report, full of all sorts of statistics, regression analysis and other stuff that only a frequent follower of either this or the weekly petroleum status thread would fully appreciate, the following paragraph jumps out and beats one over the head:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')inally, the extent of the Alkylate supply necessary to meet summer grade
gasoline simply cannot reasonably be stored ahead of time, in our view.
Some 30% of RFG gasoline is pure Alkylate, while RFG accounts for around
35% of the US market. Over the four months of the summer, this would
require 120 million boe of Alkylate. Assume, 50% is imported – that would
imply 60 million boe put into storage. Given that average gasoline inventories
through the year stand at 215 and typically fluctuate by 20 million boe, it is
simply incredulous to believe that blending component storage could make a
dent in the incremental supply necessary to meet summer gasoline.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')alifornia transitions to summer starting on 2/15 (LA, 40% of California
refining capacity) and 3/15 in San Francisco. By that time, storage needs to
be available for summer grade gasoline. Substantial de-stocking will be
necessary between mid-Jan and mid Feb at the latest. Over the past week
this has resulted in aggressive rack pricing by refiners to lower inventories –
essentially fuel dumping. Cash traders suggest crack spreads have already
started to recover as gasoline 'dumping' has come to an end.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Current gasoline stocks cannot
be sold beyond 2/15 in LA. Refinery maintenance looks on a par with 2007 –
and kicks up a notch in California in Feb. While near-term weakness has
clearly decimated share prices, we fully expect an equally violent recovery as
the market absorbs the dynamics that will drive a recovery in crack spreads.
We remain resolutely bullish on the outlook for the US refiners and believe that
current / recent weakness has provided a significant value opportunity across
the board. Just look at the forward cash curve!
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')HICAGO, Feb 7 (Reuters) - Investors flocked to upside call options in Frontier Oil Corp (FTO.N: Quote, Profile, Research) on Thursday, fueled by renewed speculation the U.S. refiner might be acquired, according to several option analysts.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The rumor of the moment is that of a takeover of Frontier by Valero," said Rebecca Engmann Darst, equity options analyst at Interactive Brokers Group in Greenwich, Connecticut.


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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude Oil 91.49
HO 2.5601
RBOB 2.3539

Ref Margin 12.3102 $/bbl
Ref Margin 0.2931 Cents/Gal


We are well over 12 for the first time in a long time.

The stocks are all getting beaten up this am, for whatever reason.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 22:06:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude Oil 93.3
HO 2.618
RBOB 2.3913

Margin 11.228802 $/bbl
Margin 0.267352429 Cents/gal


This last little rally in crude oil cut down on the margins. We are still in a really slow demand time of year.

The stocks rallied today with the rest of the market.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')W YORK, Feb 12 (Reuters) - Valero Energy Corp (VLO.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said Tuesday that maintenance work on an unspecified unit at its Houston, Texas, oil refinery will last until Thursday.

"Continuing today through Thursday, Feb. 14, Valero will be performing maintenance on one of the refinery units,"


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XOM up over a buck. Evidently the traders are not afraid of Chavez.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 10:23:13

Crude Oil 95.74
HO 2.6600
RBOB 2.47701

Ref Margin 12.6752 $/bbl
Ref Margin 0.3018 Cents/Gal


I do believe that this is the highest it has been since we started keeping track in November, and for a long time before that, if our graphs are right.

We will have to check on the refiners when the market opens today.

Per the analysis in qwanta's post above, this is right on schedule.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 15:50:14

Yahoo Biz

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')efining stocks tumbled Friday after a Lehman Brothers analyst lowered his rating on the sector, suggesting the industry has entered a "dark age" of shrinking margins that could last through the end of the decade.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ehman Brothers analyst Paul Cheng cut his rating on the sector to "Negative" from "Neutral,


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')We forecast the sector will resume its downward spiral by early summer and will exit the year below its recent lows,"


I love it. A genuine disagreement.

We will find out pretty soon who is right.

Update:

Here is the rationale:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he brokerage said the second half of 2007 marked the inflection point, where the U.S. refining market transitioned from its previously powerful multiyear up-cycle to a new downtrend that could last through the rest of this decade. "Although we think the stocks have already reached a near-term bottom and could potentially rise 10 percent to 20 percent in the next two to three months, we remain cautious on the sector," analyst Paul Cheng wrote in a research note to clients.


Reuters

Lehman Brothers has provided us with "analyst transparency" so we can see what this guy is about.

Lehman Bros

That way, somebody bored in the office on Friday afternoon can look up and see what kind of a forecasting job he has done:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')2-mo target 31-Dec current Difference
CVX 101 87 82.84 -18.16
ALJ 36 29 18.45 -17.55
COP 94 89 78.96 -15.04
MRO 65 61.4 50.72 -14.28
TSO 49 47.7 37.34 -11.66
VLO 64 69.45 54.2 -9.8
XOM 93 88 84.71 -8.29
DK 22 18.75 16.65 -5.35
AVR 13 9.85 8.3 -4.7
SUN 66 72.44 61.96 -4.04
VSE 13 14.37 9.26 -3.74
PCA 49 54 46 -3
FTO 34 41 35.67 1.67
MUR 70 85 75.42 5.42
SU 91 110 97.53 6.53
HES 60 100 90.39 30.39
PBR 79 117 113 34

These "targets" were mainly issued last fall, in October/November.

8 of his 17 "targets" thus far are off by more than 20 percent. To be sure, he was beaten up by the downdraft that happened in January. As of Dec 31, he would have had only six that were off by that much, which is pretty typical.

So, I don't blame the guy for being pessimistic. He was tired of being wrong. 12 of the 17 were lower than he forecast.

I would feel better if he indicated some kind of understanding of the oil business, like the Citibank guy did.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 19 Feb 2008, 20:19:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')00.01 crude price

2.7614 ho price
2.6031 unl price

12.179098 refinery margin


TSO up 5%
VLO up 3%
HOC up 12%
FTO up 6.5%
WNR up 18% the star of the day.

Fat city for the refiners, even though the actual refinery margins are not all that different from the other day.

Unleaded up about 11 cents today.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 22:48:22

VLO 61.44 +0.78 +1.29%
FTO 37.19 -0.27 -0.72%
HOC 54.57 +1.26 +2.36%
TSO 40.22 +1.26 +3.23%
CVX 86.34 +1.51 +1.78%
WNR 24.83 +0.84 +3.50%

Another day, another dollar.

Ironically, it is looking like Cheng should have stuck to his original targets.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude Oil 99.76
HO 2.7554
RBOB 2.585

Ref Margin 12.8894 $/bbl
Ref Margin 0.3069 Cents/Gal


We are within spitting distance of 13.
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Re: Refining margins watch (was Tesoro)

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 00:21:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tandard & Poor's (NYSE:MHP) Ratings Services said it has placed its ratings, including the 'B+' corporate credit rating, on oil and gas refining and marketing company Alon USA Energy (NYSE:ALJ) Inc on negative watch, citing potentially lower liquidity and cash flows after explosion and fire at the company's Texas refinery.


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