[Offshore]

Remember when women in Afghanistan weren't allowed to attend school or learn to read? Or when the soccer field in Kabul was used to execute women in accordance with Sharia law? Those were the good old days alright.

Remember when the economic sanctions due to Saddam Hussein were causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis? Remember when Saddam was creating mass graves all over Iraq? Remember when Saddam Hussein set fire to the Kuwaiti oil fields causing the biggest environmental disaster in world history? Remember when Saddam employed professional rapists? Or when Uday Hussein used to drug, rape, and murder Iraqi schoolgirls? Those were the good old days.

Too bad you didn't live with the Taliban or Saddam Hussein.

[Offshore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'T')he fact the taliban was created by the CIA ?

[Emma]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Offshore', 'R')emember when women in Afghanistan weren't allowed to attend school or learn to read? Or when the soccer field in Kabul was used to execute women in accordance with Sharia law? Those were the good old days alright.

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Offshore', 'R')emember when women in Afghanistan weren't allowed to attend school or learn to read? Or when the soccer field in Kabul was used to execute women in accordance with Sharia law? Those were the good old days alright.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')o terrorists in Kabul.

[Ayame]

What is the point of this thread? It's like comparing different colours of shit, that's all it is. I don't miss saddam and taliban but I don't like what's going on in Iraq currently either.

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')o terrorists in Kabul.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou mean this guy's regime?

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou mean this guy's regime?

[Offshore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Emma', '2')50,000 were killed during Saddam 20 years regime

[Offshore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Emma', 'R')ecently they shot at little girls going to school, they attack teachers, unveiled women. The taliban is still there my friend.

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Offshore', 'T')here were more than 100,000 Iranian victims of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons alone. Your figure of 250,000 is an outright lie. Over 1 million Iranian casualities in the Iran-Iraq war. Not to mention Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait or the dozens of mass graves all over Iraq.

[Offshore]

I don't know why you Ba'athists even pretend to care about the numbers. Obviously you'll worship Saddam Hussein regardless of the facts.

At least you're living proof of one thing: if the Democrats and Europeans had their way Saddam Hussein and the Taliban would still be in power.

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Offshore', 'I') don't know why you Ba'athists even pretend to care about the numbers. Obviously you'll worship Saddam Hussein regardless of the facts.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h my, you can't recognize Augusto Pinochet Ugarte.

[namenick]

The link for those who haven't read it or seen the program.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/ ... 9494.shtml

Mission #1: To make it clear that the US thought that Saddam still had his WMD's and the war was necessary to eliminate them.

Long ago discovered that there were no WMD's in Iraq but if the US propaganda can continue to convince us that they thought they still existed then they can continue to make the case that the war was necessary for that reason. And after all the lies told to us about Iraq and the reasons for the war we are now expected to belieive that the US didn't know very well that there were no WMD's remaining in Iraq which would amount to any kind of a threat to any country, especially the US. It wouldn't be quite so obvious if the lies were told because of a lack of information to show that the WMD's were gone but when the US supplied us with fabrications of evidence which in retrospect could have only been fabrications, we know that it was all dishonest and was only intended to supply justification to invade Iraq. Never for Iraq's oil of course but who in their right mind would now make that kind of a ridiculous lame claim.

mission status: failed

Mission#2: To make it clear once and for all that Saddam was the bad guy who gassed the Kurds.

The US can't allow the lingering doubt to be written in history. For those who are aware of the background on the issue they will recall that CIA head of department on the Iraq WMD affair, Pelletiere, spoke out on his on-site findings on the gassing of the Kurds. It was his opinion at the time that the gassings were performed by the Iranians because the deaths were caused by a type of lethal gas which Saddam didn't possess and the Iranians did. Some will also be familiar with the writing of Jude Wanniski on the affair and how Wanniski fell from favour with his neocon pals by speaking out on the issue along with Pelletiere.

Why could Pelletiere have been lying? The only reason which has ever been proposed is that he was covering up the evidence against Iraq because the US supplied the necessary WMD's in the form of lethal gas which Saddam could have used to gas the Kurds. Not a good conclusion to arrive at either for US reasons of maintaining credibility. On listening to Pelletiere talk about the issue, one can perhaps form their own opinion on whether or not he was lying.

Why was the US so quick in eliminating Saddam Hussein and not letting the most important charge of all be brought against him? Was there evidence to be heard which was not in the US' best interests? And why would Saddam confess under interrogation by this apparent expert that he indeed did give the order to gas the Kurds? Did he hnot fear that he would be signing his own death warrant by admitting to his and Iraq's guilt? Did Saddam in fact confess to the gassing of the Kurds? We may never know but if we believe this report and the evidence of this interrogator, we can put it to rest. And not to be one who dwells on conspiracy theories but is it a little convenient that this comes to the surface just before Bush's final State of the Uniion?

mission status: failed

note: If there are any who are interested in digging a little deeper into 'victors justice for Saddam', there are plenty of references available on the internet to Pelletiere and Wanniski's claims of Iran's guilt on the gassings. As for the fact that there were no WMD's in Iraq and the US needed to actually fabricate evidence to produce them, that only requires common sense and an interest in knowing the truth.

[Flowerr]

He knew all about Al qayda.

[dukey]

al qaeda exists ?

[Flowerr]

Sure it does. It stirs up trouble to keep the war going.

[peaker_2005]

Here's my opinion on Al-Qaeda.

There may well be such an organisation. I suspect, however, that it is far, far smaller than has been suggested by various agents of propaganda.

I'm also not completely dismissive of the concept that they may be a complete fabrication.

Either way, it seems to be a justification for a perpetual state of war externally in order to justify a perpetual state of war internally (though the latter is not of course announced. I am referring of course to continued "trimmings" of civil rights in the US and other nations).

The net loser in all of this is all of mankind.