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What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby Kylon » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 08:13:15

What the U.S should do to prevent a total economic collapse-


1. Start building large numbers of cheaply made coal powered power plants.

2. Use the money that the economy generates from the cheap energy that the coal power plants produce to build nuclear breeder reactors.

If the U.S did this, it's economy could quickly expand due to the cheap power produced by coal, then to keep the expansion going they could reinvest the surplus into nuclear breeder reactors.

This could keep the game going, and in the process of these massive investments, these massive infusions of capital it would greatly stimulate the local economy as many construction jobs would be generated first on the construction of the coal power plants, then on the construction of the nuclear breeder reactors.

What do you think?
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby lawnchair » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 08:59:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', '
')2. Use the money that the economy generates from the cheap energy that the coal power plants produce...


Here's the line that fails. Between labor regulations (child labor, minimum wage, worker's safety/comp), environmental regulations (think "you can't dump dioxin" more than CO2), health care costs 4x the first world's average, etc, the US is uncompetitive for most of the jobs that have gone overseas. Energy is a minor enough component that unmetered free electricity wouldn't bring back very many jobs.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 15:22:25

We need to disconnect ourselves from the global system and free ourselves from the international bankers. Plain and simple.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 15:26:51

I like your idea Kylon, but why not skip the coal power plants and just go directly into building nukes to power the US electrical grid, and then expand that grid to power a new network of high speed intercity trains and also build new light rail commuter lines in the citys, similar to what already exists in France and the rest of Europe. :-D
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 15:35:03

^^^

What PA said.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby JoeW » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 17:21:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', '
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1. Start building large numbers of cheaply made coal powered power plants.

2. Use the money that the economy generates from the cheap energy that the coal power plants produce to build nuclear breeder reactors.
....
What do you think?


What do I think? I work at an electric company and I think they're already doing it. All around the industry, I see an effort being made to expand generating capacity.

I don't think it has much effect on the overall economy, but it can be great for local economies. For example, if a fictional town name "Townville" is getting a new coal plant, then hooray for Townville because there will be lots of jobs and all of the temporary workers who come to the plant will spend money in Townville.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby greenworm » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 17:35:42

Crash the market, it is the only time anyone is willing to buy. :lol:
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby Flowerr » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 17:42:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') like your idea Kylon, but why not skip the coal power plants and just go directly into building nukes to power the US electrical grid, and then expand that grid to power a new network of high speed intercity trains and also build new light rail commuter lines in the citys, similar to what already exists in France and the rest of Europe. :-D


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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 18:19:18

We need to become an autarky, a self-sufficient economy, and to get free of the international bankers. It won't be easy, because this is what Germany did in the 1930s and the international bankers declared war on her.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 18:46:32

Do away with those McMansions way the hell out. I mean, must everyone have three levels these days?

1,400 sq ft is plenty big for a family AND OR we need more Condo style living within large cities.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby Flowerr » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 19:06:56

Cut each persons energy use to 20% immediately...
O wait, that would crash the economy.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 20:08:01

War is likely to be the real answer to this question.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby evilgenius » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 20:20:32

We could get out the old maypole and dance around it until we turn blue, it ain't going to help. We didn't start soon enough. Wow, I usually feel a bit more optomistic when asked this type of question. Hmmm..
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby Kingcoal » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 21:34:50

While I'm all for making electricity cheaper, I don't think that electric prices are causing economic slowdown. The problem is more of a lack of portable energy. The problem with electricity is that at present, it really isn't very portable. 70% of the world’s oil production goes into powering transportation. Crude distillates are very portable sources of energy. You can fill up a tank, wait a year and go for a ride. You can't do that with electric vehicles at present.

It seems to me that if you want to stave off the early effects of peak oil, you need to replace a significant amount of the oil used in transportation with something else that isn't so scarce. Expanding electric generation in the absence of building electric vehicles is just blowing air into the wrong balloon. It will do little to reduce demand for expensive oil which is really at the heart of the economic slowdown.
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Re: What The U.S Should Do To Boost Economy-

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 29 Jan 2008, 00:43:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'W')hat the U.S should do to prevent a total economic collapse-


1. Start building large numbers of cheaply made coal powered power plants.
Should be easy, they have lots of recent experience building power plants in Iraq.
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