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So why is this not genocide?

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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 08:35:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')Jewish holy days tend to revolve around times the Jews got to wipe out anyone who got in their way. There are all kinds of rules like in a walled city, such and such a holiday goes on a day longer, etc. These commemorate the joyful times the Jews got to wipe out their victims man woman and child.


Care to back that up with some actual proof?

AS for the larger question on this thread, is it genocide? Yes, all you have to do is look on the UN Resolution website and see all the things Isreal has been sanctioned for and you'd get a real good view of things.

Regardless of how things were divided up in the beginning after the October 1967 war Isreal took the Gaza strip becasue it offers a higher ground or strategic advantage to any hostile force. Pure strategy.

What they are doing now is just criminal and As SPG so accurately said those Powers That Be DO NOT speak for all jews even though some on this board would like you to think so.

I heard recently on the radio there was a study done by harvard that white supremacists are plagued by low intelligence scores. I thought that was interesting.

One thing no one here seems to have addressed is the monetary angle. Palestine gets a lot of money from foreign support which they loose if the wars end. If they are no longer in dire straights they don't get IMF funding. Its like the egyptian warlords who would take the money and the food shipments and keep it for themselves.

Then people like Sadam and Arafat give out $10,000 rewards to the families of suicide bombers which they take to help provide some relief from the unrelenting poverty for their family but keeps the cycle of gurilla warfare going.

Theres a lot more going on there.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 10:38:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'P')alestinians...'reap what ye sew...'


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Thank you Turtle. How are things?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 10:45:47

This is only my opinion(just like all the other posters), but this is not genocide.
En masse, the people who reside in Gaza are not very intelligent, nor very responsible.
I'm particularily moved by the Gazans streaming back into Gaza with Motorcycles, T.V's, electronic goods, etc. I was most touched by the obese Gazan mother who when interviewed said she was in Egypt to get 'sweets' for her children...yes, the essentials that Gazans are being denied to survive.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 15:13:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'I')sreal took the Gaza strip becasue it offers a higher ground


1. There is no "higher ground" in Gaza. Its a low-lying coastal plain.

2. Israel doesn't hold or control the Gaza strip now. Israel turned it back over to the Palestinians. Hamas then carried out a violent coup and since the coup Gaza has been directly controlled by Hamas. 8)
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby NWMossBack » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:24:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'R')egardless of how things were divided up in the beginning after the October 1967 war Isreal took the Gaza strip becasue it offers a higher ground or strategic advantage to any hostile force. Pure strategy.


You are perhaps confusing Gaza and the Golan Heights.

And by the way, the history of the region did not begin in 1967! Who do you suppose Israel dislodged from Gaza in 1967? The Palestinians? No, it was the Egyptian army.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:26:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')You see some reason to think they don't want a repeat?


The fact that they haven't done it yet when they had the means. If the tables were turned I have no doubt the palestinians would kill every last jew in Israel, based on their statements, educational materials, and their mass media. It amazes me that the palestinians have been the benefactors of such international goodwill considering how hate-filled they are. I can only attribute this to people using the palestinians as a convenient way to exercise latent antisemitism.

Really, this desire for an even moral relativism between the Israelis and Palestinians defies any and all logic. I do not claim that the palestinians are not mistreated by the Israelis, but considering the circumstances, they are damn lucky they aren't worse off.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:28:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')just as much aimed at civilians


You have no evidence to back this up.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:33:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'r')obs the palestinians of economical opportunities


Here is the Palestinians' idea of economic opportunity:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9331863/

I just love how the general rhetoric seems to follow a pattern of damning Israel at any possible opportunity and finding boogeyman "Israel made me do it" excuses for anything the Palestinians ever do. Any time the Palestinians have been given additional freedoms, they have squandered it.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 18:54:32

I'd like to know, How is the US Army's life insurance policy, $50k I think, awarded to US soldiers killed in combat, any different than Hamas etc., giving $10k to the family of a bomber killed? True, you could argue that the bomber is engaging in an offensive act, but how are US soldiers raiding houses, encircling then calling in air strikes on whole neighborhoods, etc not offensive acts also?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 19:08:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', ' ')Hamas etc., giving $10k to the family of a bomber killed?


Suicide bombing attacks on civilians are terrorist acts and those who organize such attacks on civilians are war criminals under the strictures of the Geneva Conventions.

Hamas is a terrorist organization precisely because it's program includes the organization of terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians. 8)
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 19:27:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Suicide bombing attacks on civilians are terrorist acts and those who organize such attacks on civilians are war criminals under the strictures of the Geneva Conventions.

Hamas is a terrorist organization precisely because it's program includes the organization of terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians. 8)


Thank you. You make my point. Bombing attacks on civilians like the US and Israeli armies do, are acts of terrorism. The US Army is a terrorist organization because it organizes attacks on civilians under the direction of Israel.

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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 19:39:26

The only thing we see "eye to eye" on, plants, is that you are a racist and an anti-semite. 8)
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 19:57:34

Hey, I resemble that! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 20:24:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')he fact that they haven't done it yet when they had the means.

Isreal hasn't had the means and doesn't have the means. If the were any more blatant in their attempts to exterminate the Palestinians, the US would be forced to stop supporting them. Without US support, Israel would last about a week before it was invaded and occupied by it's neighbors, and frankly it should be. The Isreali government should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t amazes me that the palestinians have been the benefactors of such international goodwill considering how hate-filled they are.


It amazes me that there are any Palestinians left. There are young people there who have never known anything in their whole lives but the hell of Isreali occupation, checkpoints, snipers, helicopters blowing up ambulances, soldiers demolishing homes, machinegunning children, and destroying olive groves that are millenia old, settlers piping their raw sewage into the Palestinian streets. It amazes me that every last Palestinian hasn't strapped on a bomb.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 21:06:23

and as always Smallpoxgirl deserves a medal for her post, for bravery and eloquence, as well as for utter truth.

There's a delicate web of international relations, and Israel as is understandable for a country composed of that tribe, is continually pushing the limits as far as it can.

Israel gets yearly from the US, $6000 for every man, worman, and child. How'd you like to get that amount of money, for buying some land, or going to college? Wouldn't that be nice? Oh, sorry, you're not a Jew, not for you!

Sentiment against Israel is, understandably, very high outside the US. Other countries' media aren't as Jewish-controlled as the US's, and other countries have suffered more directly from the Jews' parasitism. Even in Japan, anti-Jewish books are a category that sells well. The rest of the world is largely aware of the danger.

Kevin MacDonald's books could at first only be bought through Amazon Australia, but due to high demand they're finally available through Amazon USA, and are selling briskly.

This is a matter not of people whose noses are a certain shape, or having distinct hair color or something, this is a Tribe that's specifically evolved for parasitism. We remain ignorant of this fact at our own peril. I'd like to think Peak Oil would take care of this problem, but Jews were killing and enslaving and torturing long before modern society. The coming cataclysm gives us the one chance to do something about this, if we are educated and resolute on this subject.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby 0mar » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 22:00:09

The greatest tragedy of the 20th century was the defeat of National Socalism.

The Allied powers harshly punished every nation that was Allied with National Socialism and that included most Middle Eastern nations. Then out of guilt for the Jew, they created Israel, the second greatest mistake of the 20th century.

Of all the peoples in the world, the Jew is the one most concerned with race. They've perverted the notion of race and critiscm that anyone that mentions race, other than a Jew, is condemned as a racist and anyone that criticizes the status quo is condemned as an anti-semite.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 22:38:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'a')nd as always Smallpoxgirl deserves a medal for her post, for bravery and eloquence, as well as for utter truth.

There's a delicate web of international relations, and Israel as is understandable for a country composed of that tribe, is continually pushing the limits as far as it can.

Israel gets yearly from the US, $6000 for every man, worman, and child. How'd you like to get that amount of money, for buying some land, or going to college? Wouldn't that be nice? Oh, sorry, you're not a Jew, not for you!

Sentiment against Israel is, understandably, very high outside the US. Other countries' media aren't as Jewish-controlled as the US's, and other countries have suffered more directly from the Jews' parasitism. Even in Japan, anti-Jewish books are a category that sells well. The rest of the world is largely aware of the danger.

Kevin MacDonald's books could at first only be bought through Amazon Australia, but due to high demand they're finally available through Amazon USA, and are selling briskly.

This is a matter not of people whose noses are a certain shape, or having distinct hair color or something, this is a Tribe that's specifically evolved for parasitism. We remain ignorant of this fact at our own peril. I'd like to think Peak Oil would take care of this problem, but Jews were killing and enslaving and torturing long before modern society. The coming cataclysm gives us the one chance to do something about this, if we are educated and resolute on this subject.


Plants, I haven't read Kevin Macdonald, but it sounds like his ideas are way too extreme. Nearly everyone alive today, particularly Northern European are alive by virtue of the fact that their ancestors pounded someone else into the dust. Macdonald is stating universal truths as if they are applicable to "the Jews" alone. I agree with you that Israelis shouldn't be excluded from censure. That protective umbrella of exceptionalism and victimhood, can easily be blown away in a strong wind... which will find them reaping a whirlwind, as the Bible says. But I really think that compassion is called for, even for Jews who have the idea that they are racially superior. I don't know if this is a common idea among Jews. I haven't heard much about that. If you'd like to expand on that, it makes me curious.

Have you had some personal experiences that have shaped your opinions?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 23:35:17

MacDonald's books have to be read to be discussed, really. He postulates that yes, all human groups compete, but that the Jews evolved, through efforts of their own and through environmental/historical factors, to excel at a niche made possible by civilization, parasitism.

No, I was raised as ignorant of the Jewish problem as any American, and it took me a long time to see what is going on. I actually went through a period of being fascinated by the Jews and read a lot of their stuff, written by them about them for them. Many of the ideas we "Westerners" have which alienate us from the natural world were in fact acquired from the Jews, such as the idea that we're separate from and somehow superior to the natural world and other animals.

Look, getting back to the subject of this thread, just go read the definition of genocide then read up on what Israel has been doing and you'll come to the correct conclusion unless you're *really* brainwashed.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 02:26:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')The Isreali government should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.


Those dirty israelis. How lacking in compassion:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... aza228.xml

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')It amazes me that every last Palestinian hasn't strapped on a bomb.


Welcome to my ignore list, you terrorist-sympathizing p.o.s.

To me the Palestinian plight is a lesson in bad karma. If a people become so engulfed in hate, it completely absorbs their lives to the point where there can be no hope for peace or prosperity.

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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 02:34:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')The Isreali government should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.


Those dirty israelis. How lacking in compassion:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... aza228.xml

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')It amazes me that every last Palestinian hasn't strapped on a bomb.


Welcome to my ignore list, you terrorist-sympathizing p.o.s.

To me the Palestinian plight is a lesson in bad karma. If a people become so engulfed in hate, it completely absorbs their lives to the point where there can be no hope for peace or prosperity.

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The Palestinians are under an illegal Israeli occupation. You expect maybe they should be full of cuddles and gumdrops, instead of hate? Perhaps Israel should be relocated in Care Bear territory.
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