[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')'ll bet when they counted up the votes in South Carolina, Obama got more votes then Hillary.

[billg]

After seeing the hand recount results from NH, I'm no longer convinced any rigging took place.

I'm baffled as to what caused the huge disparities between machine counted precincts and hand counted precincts in NH.

South Carolina has NO paper trail with their machines, yet it went 2 to 1 in favor of Obama over Clinton.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')'ll bet when they counted up the votes in South Carolina, Obama got more votes then Hillary.

[virgincrude]

billg, you give up too soon. Follow BradBlog for all the nitty gritty. NOBODY can explain New Hampshire, and unless the State decides to jump in and uphold the democratic ideals there will never be a complete recount. Kucinich ran out of money when they were only roughly 40% of the count in.

Everybody either shows a supremely condescending indifference (Tyler JC) or pangs of self-doubt (am I gonna be labelled a tin foil conspiracy nutter?) leading to capitulation. You should presumably be satisfied only less than 40% of the recount was completed. It is clear NOBODY ever will be able to explain the discrepancy, doubt will fester and the machine will roll on and over you all.

BradBlog reports Kucinich was not satisfied by the results his meagre recount showed up, but he is being thoroughly sidelined and eventually gagged. This story will be buried and those who bring it up in future shall be labeled conspiracy nuts:
"Citing "significant percentage variances in four voting districts in Hillsborough County," Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) is requesting that New Hampshire's Secretary of State, William Gardner, "order a complete and accurate recount of all ballots in the New Hamsphire Democratic Presidential Primary election," according to a letter sent this morning, as obtained by The BRAD BLOG.

The letter (posted in full at end of this article) details a number of the discrepancies revealed by the recent post-election hand count in Concord, as paid for by the Democratic Presidential candidate's campaign.

The count was suspended this morning, when "funds ran out," according to the NH SoS website, making way for a Republican hand count challenge by candidate Albert Howard to begin tomorrow, as The BRAD BLOG reported earlier today:

"The magnitude of the variances in the four voting locations raise questions about the integrity of the internal vote accounting procedures in use in Hillsborough County," wrote Kucinich. "A reconciliation of the records of votes cast to voters who signed in and received ballots should have detected these problems; why multiple locations with large over-voting discrepancies went undetected in Hillsborough remains unexplained."

Kucinich's references, detailed in the two-page letter, refer to counts in Nashua Ward 5 where there were variances discovered in the counting as high as 4.9%; in Manchester Ward 5 where tallies varied 10.6%; and in New Ipswich, which saw 7.5% differences in the hand count totals from the original count for one candidate. Those districts were all tabulated on Election Day solely by error-prone, hackable Diebold optical-scan voting systems.

As well, the hand counts revealed 100 fewer votes actually existed for Barack Obama, in the town of Wilton, than were actually recorded for him on the night of the election..."

NH Recount Shows No Change
BradBlog New Hampshire

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')'ll bet when they counted up the votes in South Carolina, Obama got more votes then Hillary.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', '
')I'm baffled as to what caused the huge disparities between machine counted precincts and hand counted precincts in NH.

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')'ll bet when they counted up the votes in South Carolina, Obama got more votes then Hillary.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '
')
Are you paying attention ?

[billg]

Here is the latest goodie from Bev Harris and Black Box Voting.org
NH Primary--Sham Chain of Custody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM

Though unconvinced that any intentional rigging took place in NH, I remain aghast at the insecurity of the voting procedures throughout the US, and I have no doubt that elections have been tampered with in the past, most probably in states with the paperless voting machines. Citizens in all or part of 20 states still cast their votes into machines with no verifiable paper trail. What a farce! Thank you to Congressman Rush Holt of NJ for addressing this serious hole in voting accountability. However, it may be too little, too late as we are already full swing into the 2008 election season. And why do we need to throw money at a problem that should have never occurred in the first place!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Bill prods states to drop paperless voting machines
Friday, January 18, 2008
By Karamagi Rujumba, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
A New Jersey Democratic congressman yesterday introduced legislation that would offer $600 million to jurisdictions that convert to paper ballot systems or update voting machines to provide verifiable paper trails before next fall's presidential election.

The bill, called the Emergency Assistance for Secure Elections Act of 2008, would reimburse state and local jurisdictions if they change their systems before the November balloting, said Rep. Rush Holt, sponsor.

Voters in all or parts of 20 states now cast ballots electronically without backup paper verification, Mr. Holt said. "Millions of Americans will be voting on unreliable electronic machines without paper ballots," he said. "There will be questions that cannot be resolved, because there is no way of determining a voter's intention. All you have is an electronic memory. This plan provides an incentive for states or localities that want to do the right thing."

Last year, Mr. Holt introduced legislation, still pending in the House, requiring routine random audits and a voter-verified paper trail for every vote cast.

Allegheny is one of 54 counties in Pennsylvania that use a type of electronic machine that lacks a printer meeting the standards and procedures that Mr. Holt proposed in his bill last year. The county's 4,600 touch-screen machines don't produce a verifiable paper trail.

The New Jerseyan's new legislation would authorize $500 million to reimburse jurisdictions now using paperless voting machines after they convert to paper-based systems. It would also reimburse localities that don't fully convert to a paper-based system, but provide emergency paper ballots that would be counted as regular ballots in the event of machine failure.

Additionally, it would authorize $100 million for jurisdictions that conduct audits that meet minimum requirements.

"We're still reviewing this piece of legislation," said Leslie Amoros, a spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of State, which oversees election matters.

Mr. Holt's new bill does not mandate states to change their voting systems. "It simply provides an incentive for states that want to make changes," Holt spokesman Zach Goldberg said.

"This is wonderful legislation, and it's very important for Pennsylvania," said Marybeth Kuznik, executive director of VotePA, a voting rights group. "We have a number of counties that would like to update their machines but don't have the money to do it."