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So why is this not genocide?

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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 15:32:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he question asked was why Israel doesn't nuke Palestine. The answer is quite obviously that they would end up nuking themselves.


There are other possible reasons why countries don't nuke their neighbors.

Not only does Israel not nuke the Palestinians, Israel doesn't even use rocket barrages to target the civilian population in Palestine, in spite of the fact that Hamas sometimes launches hundreds of rockets per day at the civilian population in Israel. 8)


Right Plantagenet, Why barrage with rockets


If Israel was actually out to commit genocide against Palestinians they would be killing off the Palestinians using nukes or some other kind of WMD or barrages of rockets. But that isn't happening.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 15:41:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Israel always plays the damsel falling backwards on the fainting bench, after being offended by savages. What crap.


Damsel in distress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 15:45:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he question asked was why Israel doesn't nuke Palestine. The answer is quite obviously that they would end up nuking themselves.


There are other possible reasons why countries don't nuke their neighbors.

Not only does Israel not nuke the Palestinians, Israel doesn't even use rocket barrages to target the civilian population in Palestine, in spite of the fact that Hamas sometimes launches hundreds of rockets per day at the civilian population in Israel. 8)


Right Plantagenet, Why barrage with rockets


If Israel was actually out to commit genocide against Palestinians they would be killing off the Palestinians using nukes or some other kind of WMD or barrages of rockets. But that isn't happening.


I have never sensed that the Israelis had any interest in killing Palestinian civilians just for the purpose of thinning the population.

Wouldn't condom machines in West Bank bathrooms be a better strategy if population control were the objective?

Like many modern conflicts there are many forces at work to keep the conflict at a low (but steady) level. Talking about nukes is silly. Why didn't the U.S. nuke Vietnam? Why didn't the Soviets nuke Afghanistan?

Radicals never want conflict resolved, because the day it is resolved, they lose a lot of their power. Arafat made a career out of it.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:02:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')Do you know where the largest number of anti- Christian Zionists, and anti Neo-Liberal, Neo-Cons live? They live in Israel. They ARE Jewish.


You make my point, thanks. I forward you and all interested others to the books of Professor Kevin MacDonald for more on this subject and the actual nature of the Jewish problem.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:09:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f Israel was actually out to commit genocide against Palestinians they would be killing off the Palestinians using nukes or some other kind of WMD or barrages of rockets. But that isn't happening.


If they weren't constrained by the need to maintain international relations, Israel would have begun a more open and definitive final solution against the Palestinians long ago.

As for barrages of rockets, they most certainly do use those. They launch them from helicopters, not from the ground, but they are just as random, just as much aimed at civilians, and are probably more lethal than the Hamas attacks.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:10:52

Lets examine the anti-Israel coalition.

Neo-Nazis stand over there on the right, please.

Anti-semites in the middle.

All you liberal anti-Israel folks get on the left.

Thank you. 8)
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:12:34

you only able to think in boxes, plant?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:13:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')f Israel was actually out to commit genocide against Palestinians they would be killing off the Palestinians using nukes or some other kind of WMD or barrages of rockets. But that isn't happening.


If they weren't constrained by the need to maintain international relations, Israel would have begun a more open and definitive final solution against the Palestinians long ago.


?? Really? A "final solution"?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:17:48

let me ask you this plant, do you really support an illigal occupation that at the very least robs the palestinians of economical opportunities, and an occupation that results in 10 times more civilian casualties from direct fire alone?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:20:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'l')et me ask you this plant, do you really support an illigal occupation that at the very least robs the palestinians of economical opportunities, and an occupation that results in 10 times more civilian casualties from direct fire alone?


Of course not.

I'd like to see a "two-state" solution along the lines already agreed to by the Israelis and the Palestinians under the Oslo Accords.

What is your preferred outcome?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:25:26

there you go, you take my position then.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:29:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '?')? Really? A "final solution"?


Absolutely. It's hardly unprescedented. Have you ever read the Old Testament? These are "God's chosen people". That is "the promised land." If the old testament is to be believed, they already took that land once by killing off all the inhabitants. You see some reason to think they don't want a repeat?
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:42:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
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What is your preferred outcome?


well, you heard Bush recently acknowledge the '67 line, that includes east jerusalem for the palestinians and means the vacating of the colonies as well as tearing down or moving back of the wall.

Only this can mean peace.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby NWMossBack » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:52:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')'d like to see a "two-state" solution along the lines already agreed to by the Israelis and the Palestinians under the Oslo Accords.

What is your preferred outcome?


The Palestinians could not organize a bake sale without a two week running gun battle. It is time to abandon the idea of an independent Palestinian state. The West Bank should be returned to Jordan, and Israel should abandon all settlements there. The Gaza Strip should be returned to Egypt.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Bas » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 16:53:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NWMossBack', '
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The Palestinians could not organize a bake sale without a two week running gun battle. It is time to abandon the idea of an independent Palestinian state. The West Bank should be returned to Jordan, and Israel should abandon all settlements there. The Gaza Strip should be returned to Egypt.


I feel like I'm playing "whack a mole".
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 18:34:05

The "reasoning" on here astounds me. I guess because the Serbs didn't use nukes on the other groups, they were not committing genocide.....

In fact if you read the actual definition of genocide, you will see that Israel's actions from the very beginning have fit very well within the model.

Because of my own country's support of this, I find myself in the position of wishing for the collapse of, or at least a really good smackdown, of my own country.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 18:57:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'B')ecause of my own country's support of this, I find myself in the position of wishing for the collapse of, or at least a really good smackdown, of my own country.


I'm sure you know that the US resisted for almost 50 years against ratifying the International Genocide Convention because they knew that they were involved in things that would fit the definition of genocide. The Convention was passed by the UN in 1948. The US didn't ratify it until 1994.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 18:58:03

Wow, I like plants, that is a bit like my mom hoping that I get sick so that I will find Jesus. Be careful what you ask for. The first 48 hours might be fun but after that , there is no rebooting the game.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 26 Jan 2008, 20:38:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')I'm sure you know that the US resisted for almost 50 years against ratifying the International Genocide Convention because they knew that they were involved in things that would fit the definition of genocide. The Convention was passed by the UN in 1948. The US didn't ratify it until 1994.


Nope didn't know that. And look into Jewish history if you want to understand these people. Really, Kevin MacDonald's put a lifetime of work into this and you don't have to re-invent the wheel, just read his books. Just read the reviews of his books and you'll get the general ideas.

Jewish holy days tend to revolve around times the Jews got to wipe out anyone who got in their way. There are all kinds of rules like in a walled city, such and such a holiday goes on a day longer, etc. These commemorate the joyful times the Jews got to wipe out their victims man woman and child. While the "blood libel" is difficult to believe due to the proscriptions against eating blood in Judaism, it's not at all hard to believe in light of the cruelty of the Jews and their belief that all non-Jew life forms are soulless and can be treated in any way they like. There's nothing against cruelty against animals or non-Jews in their laws, so that if it weren't for the power of the Jews, Jewish slaughterhouses would be illegal in the US and Israel would be an internationala pariah state due to its treatment of prisoners. Instead, the US has Jews teaching torture techniques. What, you think nice kids from Iowa are just coming up with all these horrible techniques on their own?

All you really have to do is read up on this stuff.
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Re: So why is this not genocide?

Unread postby shakespear1 » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 06:39:28

Lets not forget that only now this is being sorted out

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'Thursday, 11 October 2007, 00:53 GMT 01:53 UK
A bill recognising the killing of Armenians in Ottoman times as genocide has cleared its first hurdle in the US Congress despite Turkish warnings')

BBC Story

Question: Why so late? Do we have better information in 2007 to recognize it as such?

That's politics :-)

PS: If you are interested check out the issue of genocide at Katyn where Soviet's did their dirty deed and to this day Russia does not want to come clean, despite the fact that it took it upon itself to shoulder responsibilities of Soviet Empire !!!
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